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	<title>Comments on: GateHouse v NY Times Co.: Not So Simple After All</title>
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		<title>By: Aggregation Agitation Continues &#171; The Scholarly Kitchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aggregation Agitation Continues &#171; The Scholarly Kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dan Gillmore from Center for Citizen Media puts it: If Boston.com’s Your Town crawlers/scrapers are going around the technological blockades, that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GateHouse Media Sues NY Times Co. Over Linking : Sports Media Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>GateHouse Media Sues NY Times Co. Over Linking : Sports Media Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You can read The Globe&#8217;s report, published on their Boston.com website, by going to this link. You can read GateHouse media&#8217;s filed complaint by going here, courtesy of Media Nation. MN also has linked over to the coverage of the issue by the Center for Citizen Media, who is doing phenomenal work unravelling the issue. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You can read The Globe&#8217;s report, published on their Boston.com website, by going to this link. You can read GateHouse media&#8217;s filed complaint by going here, courtesy of Media Nation. MN also has linked over to the coverage of the issue by the Center for Citizen Media, who is doing phenomenal work unravelling the issue. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 04:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holdonasec. You say, Robots.txt &quot;is the right custom&quot;.  robots.txt is a perfect example of the Lessigian problem of software code taking the place of contracts. Robots.txt does not restrict by IP&#039;s. The Boston.com engineers might have a reasonable suspicion that the C&amp;D letters have something to do with the fact that the network access is blocked, and that might be good enough for jurisprudence, but not for public policy.

The Lessigian vision of software code implementing policy is more closely realized by ACAP. From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.the-acap.org/getattachment/aa009b6f-fc16-4028-9596-66763720b91f/ACAP_TF_Crawler_Communication.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Implementation Guide&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;ACAP makes it possible to communicate to a crawler that it may only crawl content for certain specified usage purposes only.&quot; I haven&#039;t read the details of ACAP, but as it was written in the last few years I believe it addresses syndication.

Lessig fans should promote ACAP, because it&#039;s a standard that the little guy could use to specify his own rights.

There&#039;s also an HCI component as well. Boston.com could, as good faith, put an icon next to each post indicating its provenance: either Boston.com, WickedLocal, or the local citizen-contributor &lt;i&gt;bloggus bloviatus fignewtonus&lt;/i&gt;. This would demonstrate how much content is coming from each source. (Claim 109, for those of you scoring at home.)

I&#039;m interest in the discovery phase here. The presumption that many of the blog evangelists have been making is that links to a content site are always economically beneficial and never deterimental. Time to see some real numbers on that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holdonasec. You say, Robots.txt &#8220;is the right custom&#8221;.  robots.txt is a perfect example of the Lessigian problem of software code taking the place of contracts. Robots.txt does not restrict by IP&#8217;s. The Boston.com engineers might have a reasonable suspicion that the C&amp;D letters have something to do with the fact that the network access is blocked, and that might be good enough for jurisprudence, but not for public policy.</p>
<p>The Lessigian vision of software code implementing policy is more closely realized by ACAP. From the <a href="http://www.the-acap.org/getattachment/aa009b6f-fc16-4028-9596-66763720b91f/ACAP_TF_Crawler_Communication.aspx" rel="nofollow">Implementation Guide</a>: &#8220;ACAP makes it possible to communicate to a crawler that it may only crawl content for certain specified usage purposes only.&#8221; I haven&#8217;t read the details of ACAP, but as it was written in the last few years I believe it addresses syndication.</p>
<p>Lessig fans should promote ACAP, because it&#8217;s a standard that the little guy could use to specify his own rights.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also an HCI component as well. Boston.com could, as good faith, put an icon next to each post indicating its provenance: either Boston.com, WickedLocal, or the local citizen-contributor <i>bloggus bloviatus fignewtonus</i>. This would demonstrate how much content is coming from each source. (Claim 109, for those of you scoring at home.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interest in the discovery phase here. The presumption that many of the blog evangelists have been making is that links to a content site are always economically beneficial and never deterimental. Time to see some real numbers on that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GateHouse Media takes on the New York Times Company &#124; Daily Loaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>GateHouse Media takes on the New York Times Company &#124; Daily Loaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Media, while acknowledging that Boston.com is treading close to the notion of fair use, feels GateHouse may have a legitimate case if its claim is valid that Boston.com is bypassing GateHouse&#8217;s security measures to prevent [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hypercrit &#8211; Gatehouse!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hypercrit &#8211; Gatehouse!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] background. I&#8217;m not going to get into this; it&#8217;s too deep and too popular for me to weigh in. All [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not familiar with the term &quot;A-lister&quot;.  What is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not familiar with the term &#8220;A-lister&#8221;.  What is it?</p>
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		<title>By: J. Cutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Cutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the sentiment I think Seth Finkelstein is expressing. Seems like anyone who argues in favor of this suit gets shouted down with irrational hatred.

Still, I&#039;m a glutton for abuse so I&#039;ll give it a shot:

I&#039;ve followed Gatehouse and its progeny since the days of Cap Cities, Fidelity and CNC. I dislike most everything they&#039;ve done. Nearly all their papers were better before they started squeezing them to pay for debt load.

I say all that that because I&#039;m strongly rooting for Gatehouse here. There&#039;s a larger issue at play that affects the entire industry. This isn&#039;t about linking. It&#039;s about information. Information isn&#039;t free.

Boston.com isn&#039;t simply linking to stories from other websites. They are scraping the lead graphs of all the articles. That&#039;s a clear distinction inho and one that is not being discerned in much of this discussion.

Many of the folks who read the Newton site are never going to click thru to Wicker Local and thus no benefit accrues to Gatehouse for their reporters efforts. Somebody still has to pay that reporter&#039;s salary, benefits, etc. It&#039;s not going to be Boston.com.

There are plenty of reasons the newspaper industry is imploding, and yes many of the wounds are self-inflicted, but giving away content for others to profit from is not a business model that can succeed. In the end it will hurt everyone because there will fewer reporters out their gathering the news.

If Boston.com prevails and Gatehouse goes under (a real possibility with their stock at .04 cents) do you think the world will be a better place? Will Boston.com really cover Newton more?  We all know the answer to that.

I hope the newspaper industry learns from the book publishing world. They struck a lucrative deal with Google to share revenues for their content. A similar battle is brewing over videos with Viacom and Google. When newspaper decide to stand up and stop giving away their product we might finally turn a corner. This lawsuit is one small step.

Thanks for reading. Commence bomb-tossing now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the sentiment I think Seth Finkelstein is expressing. Seems like anyone who argues in favor of this suit gets shouted down with irrational hatred.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m a glutton for abuse so I&#8217;ll give it a shot:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve followed Gatehouse and its progeny since the days of Cap Cities, Fidelity and CNC. I dislike most everything they&#8217;ve done. Nearly all their papers were better before they started squeezing them to pay for debt load.</p>
<p>I say all that that because I&#8217;m strongly rooting for Gatehouse here. There&#8217;s a larger issue at play that affects the entire industry. This isn&#8217;t about linking. It&#8217;s about information. Information isn&#8217;t free.</p>
<p>Boston.com isn&#8217;t simply linking to stories from other websites. They are scraping the lead graphs of all the articles. That&#8217;s a clear distinction inho and one that is not being discerned in much of this discussion.</p>
<p>Many of the folks who read the Newton site are never going to click thru to Wicker Local and thus no benefit accrues to Gatehouse for their reporters efforts. Somebody still has to pay that reporter&#8217;s salary, benefits, etc. It&#8217;s not going to be Boston.com.</p>
<p>There are plenty of reasons the newspaper industry is imploding, and yes many of the wounds are self-inflicted, but giving away content for others to profit from is not a business model that can succeed. In the end it will hurt everyone because there will fewer reporters out their gathering the news.</p>
<p>If Boston.com prevails and Gatehouse goes under (a real possibility with their stock at .04 cents) do you think the world will be a better place? Will Boston.com really cover Newton more?  We all know the answer to that.</p>
<p>I hope the newspaper industry learns from the book publishing world. They struck a lucrative deal with Google to share revenues for their content. A similar battle is brewing over videos with Viacom and Google. When newspaper decide to stand up and stop giving away their product we might finally turn a corner. This lawsuit is one small step.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading. Commence bomb-tossing now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am a NYT shareholder who also sides with GateHouse. If this is the only way to legally establish that the labor-intensive output of journalists has value, so be it. The act of gathering and verifying and codifying information by definition creates intellectual property. Those who propose that the free-lunch theory should rule ignore the reality that those who do the work have every right to seek and expect compensation. Furthermore, those who provide the infrastructure to support these acts of journalism, including paying the journalists, have a right to seek a profit. Somewhere, a decade ago, these principles were lost as purveyors of traditional news products went off the rails and decided to give away their seed corn. Now GateHouse management is asking the courts to reaffirm the right of ownership. I wish them well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am a NYT shareholder who also sides with GateHouse. If this is the only way to legally establish that the labor-intensive output of journalists has value, so be it. The act of gathering and verifying and codifying information by definition creates intellectual property. Those who propose that the free-lunch theory should rule ignore the reality that those who do the work have every right to seek and expect compensation. Furthermore, those who provide the infrastructure to support these acts of journalism, including paying the journalists, have a right to seek a profit. Somewhere, a decade ago, these principles were lost as purveyors of traditional news products went off the rails and decided to give away their seed corn. Now GateHouse management is asking the courts to reaffirm the right of ownership. I wish them well.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Copyright Lawyer, I&#039;m going to sort-of defend Dan here. I think you&#039;re missing that the posting is not about US copyright law, but what might be termed &quot;A-lister law&quot;, which is like Catholic Church Canon Law. It&#039;s a framework for a particular belief system, and it matters to a lot of people who follow it, but it isn&#039;t US law. So talking about what Dan says solely as a matter of US law is at cross-purposes, like a priest&#039;s view of divorce as a matter of theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright Lawyer, I&#8217;m going to sort-of defend Dan here. I think you&#8217;re missing that the posting is not about US copyright law, but what might be termed &#8220;A-lister law&#8221;, which is like Catholic Church Canon Law. It&#8217;s a framework for a particular belief system, and it matters to a lot of people who follow it, but it isn&#8217;t US law. So talking about what Dan says solely as a matter of US law is at cross-purposes, like a priest&#8217;s view of divorce as a matter of theology.</p>
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		<title>By: Copyright Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copyright Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I am glad that you say you don&#039;t believe that the availability of a fair use defense depends on GateHouse&#039;s consent or efforts to block copying.  But quoting the complaint on this issue, in the context of a legal discussion, and then saying that that allegation in the complaint makes you &quot;much more sympathetic&quot; to GateHouse&#039;s position, certainly suggests you believe that this issue bears on fair use.

Moreover, your assertion that &quot;Boston.com should take the hint and stop pointing to GateHouse&quot; because GateHouse attempted technical anti-copying measures, is inimical to a robust fair use doctrine.  If the use is fair, one shouldn&#039;t hesitate to continue the use, even in the face of objections from the copyright owners.  Copyright owners too frequently object to fair uses of their works, and the doctrine would lose much of its force were fair users to &quot;take the hint and stop&quot; whenever copyright owners attempted through technical means to bar such uses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am glad that you say you don&#8217;t believe that the availability of a fair use defense depends on GateHouse&#8217;s consent or efforts to block copying.  But quoting the complaint on this issue, in the context of a legal discussion, and then saying that that allegation in the complaint makes you &#8220;much more sympathetic&#8221; to GateHouse&#8217;s position, certainly suggests you believe that this issue bears on fair use.</p>
<p>Moreover, your assertion that &#8220;Boston.com should take the hint and stop pointing to GateHouse&#8221; because GateHouse attempted technical anti-copying measures, is inimical to a robust fair use doctrine.  If the use is fair, one shouldn&#8217;t hesitate to continue the use, even in the face of objections from the copyright owners.  Copyright owners too frequently object to fair uses of their works, and the doctrine would lose much of its force were fair users to &#8220;take the hint and stop&#8221; whenever copyright owners attempted through technical means to bar such uses.</p>
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