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		<title>By: John Wilpers</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/05/08/newspaper-asks-bloggers-for-help/comment-page-1/#comment-2452</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wilpers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trish has it right: Newspapers should just aggregate and point off.

Newspapers don&#039;t need to own or create everything.

Newspapers can serve a much more valuable role by presenting ALL the sources of information about a particular topic. We can save readers a ton of time by collecting all the best stuff from wherever, excerpt it, and point off.

Organize it by geography (neighborhood) or theme/passion.

And then, what newspapers are LOATH to do, put the excerpt and link NOT in a blog ghetto but on the appropriate web page AND publish an excerpt in appropriate section of the newspaper itself! That kind of promotion is absolutely necessary to raise awareness and drive traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trish has it right: Newspapers should just aggregate and point off.</p>
<p>Newspapers don&#8217;t need to own or create everything.</p>
<p>Newspapers can serve a much more valuable role by presenting ALL the sources of information about a particular topic. We can save readers a ton of time by collecting all the best stuff from wherever, excerpt it, and point off.</p>
<p>Organize it by geography (neighborhood) or theme/passion.</p>
<p>And then, what newspapers are LOATH to do, put the excerpt and link NOT in a blog ghetto but on the appropriate web page AND publish an excerpt in appropriate section of the newspaper itself! That kind of promotion is absolutely necessary to raise awareness and drive traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Solving the blogger payment problem &#171; John Wilpers: The power of partnering</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solving the blogger payment problem &#171; John Wilpers: The power of partnering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (and other media) paying non-staff bloggers for their contributions is being debated on the Center for Citizen Media Blog and only Trish Grier gets it right in her [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (and other media) paying non-staff bloggers for their contributions is being debated on the Center for Citizen Media Blog and only Trish Grier gets it right in her [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Journalism</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/05/08/newspaper-asks-bloggers-for-help/comment-page-1/#comment-2459</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 01:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] While I&#8217;ve been pondering, things keep popping into my field of awareness about citizen journalism. Just the other day, I found &#8220;The Center for Citizen Media&#8221; site, and then today, after ages of not checking my Google Reader, I came across this:  San Jose Mercury News: Wanted: Los Gatos bloggers. We’re looking for community bloggers in Los Gatos who can write about such things as events in town, school fundraisers, the score of the latest football game. We need someone who would love a forum for reflecting on the latest buzz story in town, or even write things to do for runners, kids, moms, retirees or other groups in town. &#8212; Center for Citizen Media:&#160; Newspaper Asks Bloggers for Help [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] While I&#8217;ve been pondering, things keep popping into my field of awareness about citizen journalism. Just the other day, I found &#8220;The Center for Citizen Media&#8221; site, and then today, after ages of not checking my Google Reader, I came across this:  San Jose Mercury News: Wanted: Los Gatos bloggers. We’re looking for community bloggers in Los Gatos who can write about such things as events in town, school fundraisers, the score of the latest football game. We need someone who would love a forum for reflecting on the latest buzz story in town, or even write things to do for runners, kids, moms, retirees or other groups in town. &#8212; Center for Citizen Media:&nbsp; Newspaper Asks Bloggers for Help [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tish Grier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tish Grier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 00:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth makes a good point:  what *really* is the Merc looking for?  And that it sounds more like they&#039;re looking for individuals to fill in for the journalists they&#039;ve lost.

Now, if they are willing to pay--and pay fairly--for this work, then great!  But, I won&#039;t hold my breath on that one.  There&#039;s loads of precedent (and loads of kvetching among unionized writers) that the pay for &quot;blogging&quot; and internet writing jobs (which is what this sounds like vs. a &quot;newspaper&quot; job) is woefully low.  And that&#039;s pretty much true.

Further, what might happen to the content put on these newspaper sites?  What if someone wants to use that content (pictures perhaps?) on a site of his/her own--does the newspaper own the content?  And what&#039;s wrong with just aggregating this content and sharing traffic with local bloggers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth makes a good point:  what *really* is the Merc looking for?  And that it sounds more like they&#8217;re looking for individuals to fill in for the journalists they&#8217;ve lost.</p>
<p>Now, if they are willing to pay&#8211;and pay fairly&#8211;for this work, then great!  But, I won&#8217;t hold my breath on that one.  There&#8217;s loads of precedent (and loads of kvetching among unionized writers) that the pay for &#8220;blogging&#8221; and internet writing jobs (which is what this sounds like vs. a &#8220;newspaper&#8221; job) is woefully low.  And that&#8217;s pretty much true.</p>
<p>Further, what might happen to the content put on these newspaper sites?  What if someone wants to use that content (pictures perhaps?) on a site of his/her own&#8211;does the newspaper own the content?  And what&#8217;s wrong with just aggregating this content and sharing traffic with local bloggers?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things that I think the SJMN needs to be careful of, as does any news organization, is to protect the &quot;integrity&quot; (and I use that word loosely) of the work that their paid journalists do in comparison to the contributions from unpaid bloggers.

Part of the problem that newspapers are now facing is that consumers aren&#039;t seeing the value of well-researched journalism, because the end-product isn&#039;t well differentiated. If blogs are free, and there&#039;s not much difference between blogs and &quot;news&quot; (I mean, they&#039;re on the same web site, right?) then why pay for &quot;news?&quot;

And suddenly journalists are all out of a paying gig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that I think the SJMN needs to be careful of, as does any news organization, is to protect the &#8220;integrity&#8221; (and I use that word loosely) of the work that their paid journalists do in comparison to the contributions from unpaid bloggers.</p>
<p>Part of the problem that newspapers are now facing is that consumers aren&#8217;t seeing the value of well-researched journalism, because the end-product isn&#8217;t well differentiated. If blogs are free, and there&#8217;s not much difference between blogs and &#8220;news&#8221; (I mean, they&#8217;re on the same web site, right?) then why pay for &#8220;news?&#8221;</p>
<p>And suddenly journalists are all out of a paying gig.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 03:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got nothing to add. I&#039;m watching a movie about the real world of journalism -- &lt;i&gt;The Devil Wears Prada&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got nothing to add. I&#8217;m watching a movie about the real world of journalism &#8212; <i>The Devil Wears Prada</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but ... hey! at least they are not *paying* for &quot;the priviledge&quot;... (like some conference goers do... )  D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but &#8230; hey! at least they are not *paying* for &#8220;the priviledge&#8221;&#8230; (like some conference goers do&#8230; )  D.</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 01:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &quot;if it means the the paper will do more than just highlight what the bloggers do (i.e. pay them for what they do)&quot;

the big problem I see with this is that they have a strong financial incentive NOT to pay them as long as they can get away with it -- the vast majority of enterprises trying to &quot;save the news&quot; (for their own financial gain) would collapse if &quot;the suckers&quot; that make these projects possible would just wake up and stop volunteering.

Delia

P.S. Are these people really fools, cretins, with low-intelligence or low-self esteem? Of course not... (they are just naives that don&#039;t realize they are being exploited)  D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;if it means the the paper will do more than just highlight what the bloggers do (i.e. pay them for what they do)&#8221;</p>
<p>the big problem I see with this is that they have a strong financial incentive NOT to pay them as long as they can get away with it &#8212; the vast majority of enterprises trying to &#8220;save the news&#8221; (for their own financial gain) would collapse if &#8220;the suckers&#8221; that make these projects possible would just wake up and stop volunteering.</p>
<p>Delia</p>
<p>P.S. Are these people really fools, cretins, with low-intelligence or low-self esteem? Of course not&#8230; (they are just naives that don&#8217;t realize they are being exploited)  D.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s so revolutionary about (unpaid) freelancing?

If the ad was &quot;We’re looking for [local stringers] in Los Gatos who can write about such things as events in town, school fundraisers, the score of the latest football game. We need someone who would love a forum for reflecting on the latest buzz story in town, or even write things to do for runners, kids, moms, retirees or other groups in town.&quot; - would this be greeted with a reaction of &quot;This could be a fairly big deal, especially if it means the paper will do more than just highlight what the [local stringers] do (i.e. pay them for what they do).&quot;

What makes &quot;blogger&quot; such a super-fantastic-amazing-THIS-IS-BIG word, if &quot;stringer&quot; or &quot;freelancer&quot; is functionally equivalent in the context?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s so revolutionary about (unpaid) freelancing?</p>
<p>If the ad was &#8220;We’re looking for [local stringers] in Los Gatos who can write about such things as events in town, school fundraisers, the score of the latest football game. We need someone who would love a forum for reflecting on the latest buzz story in town, or even write things to do for runners, kids, moms, retirees or other groups in town.&#8221; &#8211; would this be greeted with a reaction of &#8220;This could be a fairly big deal, especially if it means the paper will do more than just highlight what the [local stringers] do (i.e. pay them for what they do).&#8221;</p>
<p>What makes &#8220;blogger&#8221; such a super-fantastic-amazing-THIS-IS-BIG word, if &#8220;stringer&#8221; or &#8220;freelancer&#8221; is functionally equivalent in the context?</p>
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