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	<title>Comments on: The Net Remembers, for Good and Bad</title>
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		<title>By: Juris-imprudence: the silencing of Wikileaks.org &#171; citizenvox.org</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/02/26/the-net-remembers-for-good-and-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2372</link>
		<dc:creator>Juris-imprudence: the silencing of Wikileaks.org &#171; citizenvox.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Center for Citizen Media blogs explains how the Wikileaks site can stay up, despite the judge&#8217;s order: The judge blatantly [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/02/26/the-net-remembers-for-good-and-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2370</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress did not need to investigate. Jonathan Glater at the NYT &quot;Bits&quot; blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/more-twists-and-turns-in-wikileaks-case/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;follows up&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;Among other things, the judge asked whether the bank should be suing Dynadot and Wikileaks at all, whether a &#039;right to privacy trumps the freedom of access to information...&#039;&quot;

Not quite (lazy blogger). Judge White was framing the question about privacy vs. disclosure. And he followed that question with a trio of precedents where privacy &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; trump access, adding:

&quot;How do the amici respond to the court’s holding in Virgil v. Time, Inc., 527 F.2d 1122, 11228 (9th Cir. 1975), in which the Ninth Circuit held that &#039;the public’s right to know is, then, subject to reasonable limitation so far as concerns the private facts of its individual members&#039;? Is the private financial information of Plaintiffs’ customers privileged as newsworthy?&quot;

There&#039;s two camps. The Free Speech Absolutist crowd, in the tradition of Justice Hugo Black, pounds the First Amendment and shuts off all argument. The Free Speech Balance crowd understands that there are reasonable limitations, and that privacy is one of them. Remember: speech denied is speech deferred, while privacy breached is privacy broken.

In your Guardian column, you wanted to articulate a balance-- between two separate cases. But my sense is that each case needs to be decided on its own. Not that anyone has done a good job of explaining just what is in the Baer documents; I read several press accounts, and no one quoted a tax-shelter expert investigator who said &quot;this is a smoking gun.&quot; Then again, no one has anyone explained the privacy implications either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress did not need to investigate. Jonathan Glater at the NYT &#8220;Bits&#8221; blog <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/more-twists-and-turns-in-wikileaks-case/" rel="nofollow">follows up</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Among other things, the judge asked whether the bank should be suing Dynadot and Wikileaks at all, whether a &#8216;right to privacy trumps the freedom of access to information&#8230;&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Not quite (lazy blogger). Judge White was framing the question about privacy vs. disclosure. And he followed that question with a trio of precedents where privacy <i>did</i> trump access, adding:</p>
<p>&#8220;How do the amici respond to the court’s holding in Virgil v. Time, Inc., 527 F.2d 1122, 11228 (9th Cir. 1975), in which the Ninth Circuit held that &#8216;the public’s right to know is, then, subject to reasonable limitation so far as concerns the private facts of its individual members&#8217;? Is the private financial information of Plaintiffs’ customers privileged as newsworthy?&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s two camps. The Free Speech Absolutist crowd, in the tradition of Justice Hugo Black, pounds the First Amendment and shuts off all argument. The Free Speech Balance crowd understands that there are reasonable limitations, and that privacy is one of them. Remember: speech denied is speech deferred, while privacy breached is privacy broken.</p>
<p>In your Guardian column, you wanted to articulate a balance&#8211; between two separate cases. But my sense is that each case needs to be decided on its own. Not that anyone has done a good job of explaining just what is in the Baer documents; I read several press accounts, and no one quoted a tax-shelter expert investigator who said &#8220;this is a smoking gun.&#8221; Then again, no one has anyone explained the privacy implications either.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/02/26/the-net-remembers-for-good-and-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2371</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &quot;(If I were a member of the US Congress I’d be launching an official inquiry into judge White’s fitness for office as well, though Congress is not noted these days for its understanding of, much less appreciation for, the Constitution.)&quot;

Well, write Congresswoman Lofgren, who represents Silicon Valley, and who&#039;s on the Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property. They&#039;re in fact having a &lt;a href=&quot;http://judiciary.house.gov/oversight.aspx?ID=417&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hearing tomorrow&lt;/a&gt; -- on patent reform. (I know that Lessig doesn&#039;t have his heart in this, but I wish that some cyberlawyer could sit in on the hearings.)

So, I dunno, maybe an investigation of a federal judge should take precedence. There&#039;s only been 13 federal judges impeached in our history, and 7 convicted. And these are for high crimes and misdemeanors-- bribery, corruption. Only one was removed for a ruling; you&#039;d have to go back to Thomas Pickering in 1799 for that.

I&#039;m not a lawyer either. But as a I understand, judges make bad decisions all the time without the need for Congress to investigate. The decisions get appealed and overturned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;(If I were a member of the US Congress I’d be launching an official inquiry into judge White’s fitness for office as well, though Congress is not noted these days for its understanding of, much less appreciation for, the Constitution.)&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, write Congresswoman Lofgren, who represents Silicon Valley, and who&#8217;s on the Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property. They&#8217;re in fact having a <a href="http://judiciary.house.gov/oversight.aspx?ID=417" rel="nofollow">hearing tomorrow</a> &#8212; on patent reform. (I know that Lessig doesn&#8217;t have his heart in this, but I wish that some cyberlawyer could sit in on the hearings.)</p>
<p>So, I dunno, maybe an investigation of a federal judge should take precedence. There&#8217;s only been 13 federal judges impeached in our history, and 7 convicted. And these are for high crimes and misdemeanors&#8211; bribery, corruption. Only one was removed for a ruling; you&#8217;d have to go back to Thomas Pickering in 1799 for that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer either. But as a I understand, judges make bad decisions all the time without the need for Congress to investigate. The decisions get appealed and overturned.</p>
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