Comments on: reddit’s New Features; and an Amazing Request for Free Labor http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:36:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Wanted: Free labor http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-153479 Wanted: Free labor Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:55:22 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-153479 [...] does good will end and greed take over? That depends on whether you’re a giver or taker. Dan Gillmor at the Center for Citizen Media is bothered by the free labor scheme he sees in a corporate blog post about new features just [...] [...] does good will end and greed take over? That depends on whether you’re a giver or taker. Dan Gillmor at the Center for Citizen Media is bothered by the free labor scheme he sees in a corporate blog post about new features just [...]

]]> By: Dan Gillmor breaks down the exploitative side of participatory culture « The Learned Fangirl http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-153093 Dan Gillmor breaks down the exploitative side of participatory culture « The Learned Fangirl Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:27:59 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-153093 [...] Posted on January 31, 2008 by r Dan Gillmor on the Center for Citizen Media blog writes about the good and bad about online group-based [...] [...] Posted on January 31, 2008 by r Dan Gillmor on the Center for Citizen Media blog writes about the good and bad about online group-based [...]

]]> By: tish grier http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152892 tish grier Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:21:33 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152892 Dan, this has been going on for awhile in a number of different places--like when CCN asks for "citizen journalism" to fuel a daily iReport show (most recently), or when the ClearChannel owned Santa Rosa, CA tv station lost its news crew in favor of "citizen journalism." Yet there's def. more to it: skills like language (translating) or people-skills (message board moderation) are considered "soft" skills and of less value than programming, considered a "hard" skill. Soft skills come under the "anybody can do it" rubric. Programming isn't seen that way, even though there are a number of "anybodys" that can do that, too. Depending on where you're looking for "anybody." We have come to de-value people and language oriented skills because they look easy. We have come to highly value programming skills because it looks like magic. In the hands of talented people, neither is magic--but convincing the Powers that Be of this, and that both deserve adequate compensation, is perhaps a sysiphian labor. Dan,

this has been going on for awhile in a number of different places–like when CCN asks for “citizen journalism” to fuel a daily iReport show (most recently), or when the ClearChannel owned Santa Rosa, CA tv station lost its news crew in favor of “citizen journalism.”

Yet there’s def. more to it: skills like language (translating) or people-skills (message board moderation) are considered “soft” skills and of less value than programming, considered a “hard” skill. Soft skills come under the “anybody can do it” rubric. Programming isn’t seen that way, even though there are a number of “anybodys” that can do that, too. Depending on where you’re looking for “anybody.”

We have come to de-value people and language oriented skills because they look easy. We have come to highly value programming skills because it looks like magic. In the hands of talented people, neither is magic–but convincing the Powers that Be of this, and that both deserve adequate compensation, is perhaps a sysiphian labor.

]]> By: Chris http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152874 Chris Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:08:07 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152874 This is a really important point, I am really happy to hear you bring it up. It baffles me the degree to which digital language skills (i.e. programming skills) are prioritized above human language skills... when in fact the latter IMHO are becoming more and more important as these web services go global. This is a really important point, I am really happy to hear you bring it up. It baffles me the degree to which digital language skills (i.e. programming skills) are prioritized above human language skills… when in fact the latter IMHO are becoming more and more important as these web services go global.

]]> By: :: ifocos :: » Wanted: Free labor http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152759 :: ifocos :: » Wanted: Free labor Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:16:46 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152759 [...] does good will end and greed take over? That depends on whether you’re a giver or taker. Dan Gillmor at the Center for Citizen Media is bothered by the free labor scheme he sees in a corporate blog post about new features just [...] [...] does good will end and greed take over? That depends on whether you’re a giver or taker. Dan Gillmor at the Center for Citizen Media is bothered by the free labor scheme he sees in a corporate blog post about new features just [...]

]]> By: John http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152726 John Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:09:07 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152726 The psychic reward can be very powerful. Though it may seem unfair supporting redditt rather than a non-profit, helping reddit may have a wider impact and affect more lives. Surely that is more valuable. The psychic reward can be very powerful. Though it may seem unfair supporting redditt rather than a non-profit, helping reddit may have a wider impact and affect more lives. Surely that is more valuable.

]]> By: Gerd Kamp http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152725 Gerd Kamp Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:18:22 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152725 Reddits approach for me looks a lot like the translation scheme of Facebook that Matt Cohler talked about at DLD08 in Munich on Monday. It seems that they are also mainly conting on user generated translations (with some help from professional translators). Or did i get it wrong? Reddits approach for me looks a lot like the translation scheme of Facebook that Matt Cohler talked about at DLD08 in Munich on Monday.

It seems that they are also mainly conting on user generated translations (with some help from professional translators). Or did i get it wrong?

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152724 Seth Finkelstein Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:42:23 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152724 Whee! "local content harvesting": http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/24/fb_translation/ "Happily for Zuckerberg, this is where the virtuous web 2.0 circlejerk completes itself. It's hit the news this week that he'll ask users to translate and localise Facebook for it. For free. So it can pull more users and maintain the growth story while it searches for a business model. The cheek is admirable, really." Whee! “local content harvesting”:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/24/fb_translation/

“Happily for Zuckerberg, this is where the virtuous web 2.0 circlejerk completes itself. It’s hit the news this week that he’ll ask users to translate and localise Facebook for it. For free. So it can pull more users and maintain the growth story while it searches for a business model. The cheek is admirable, really.”

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152721 Seth Finkelstein Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:56:02 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152721 Hear, hear. Hear, hear.

]]> By: Delia http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152720 Delia Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:05:42 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/23/reddits-new-features-and-an-amazing-request-for-free-labor/#comment-152720 Best post so far! :) D. Best post so far! :) D.

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