Comments on: Ban 'Hate Speech' at Your Own Peril http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/14/ban-hate-speech-at-your-own-peril/ Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:49:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Stephen Downes http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/14/ban-hate-speech-at-your-own-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-2303 Stephen Downes Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:26:48 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/14/ban-hate-speech-at-your-own-peril/#comment-2303 There is a difference, well established, between the expression of ideas and opinions, and 'speech acts'. saying 'I do' is an action, not an expression. Yelling 'fire!' is an action, not an expression. Just so, saying 'kill the Jews' is an action, not an expression, and calling it political speech does not change that fact, just as surely as it does not change the intended effect of the utterance. There is a difference, well established, between the expression of ideas and opinions, and ‘speech acts’. saying ‘I do’ is an action, not an expression. Yelling ‘fire!’ is an action, not an expression.

Just so, saying ‘kill the Jews’ is an action, not an expression, and calling it political speech does not change that fact, just as surely as it does not change the intended effect of the utterance.

]]> By: Dan Gillmor http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/14/ban-hate-speech-at-your-own-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-2305 Dan Gillmor Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:46:59 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/14/ban-hate-speech-at-your-own-peril/#comment-2305 He'd be a great addition. Thanks for the link correction - fixed. He’d be a great addition. Thanks for the link correction – fixed.

]]> By: Jon Garfunkel http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/14/ban-hate-speech-at-your-own-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-2304 Jon Garfunkel Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:43:44 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2008/01/14/ban-hate-speech-at-your-own-peril/#comment-2304 Sharp column, as always, from GG. 471 comments, to date, and I presume most are in the affirmative. I'll make this prediction now: Glenn Greenwald will join the Op-Ed ranks of the NYT in the next five years, and, if I may call the pocket, he's going to take over Roger Cohen's spot. I was previously skeptical, given his past dissing of Tom Friedman, but if the NYT can hire Kristol, who advocated prosection of the Times, then prior statements are no obstacle... Here's the <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/13/hate_speech_laws/index.html" rel="nofollow">permalink</a>, by the way. Sharp column, as always, from GG. 471 comments, to date, and I presume most are in the affirmative.

I’ll make this prediction now: Glenn Greenwald will join the Op-Ed ranks of the NYT in the next five years, and, if I may call the pocket, he’s going to take over Roger Cohen’s spot. I was previously skeptical, given his past dissing of Tom Friedman, but if the NYT can hire Kristol, who advocated prosection of the Times, then prior statements are no obstacle…

Here’s the permalink, by the way.

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