Comments on: Needed: Regulation to Prevent Journalists-Turned-Professors from Embarrassing Themselves http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/ Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:40:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: infobong.com » linkdump for 2007.12.19 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2276 infobong.com » linkdump for 2007.12.19 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:17:17 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/#comment-2276 [...] Dan Gilmor: Needed: Regulation to Prevent Journalists-Turned-Professors from Embarrassing Themselves The citizen media maven makes some compelling arguments against the idea that journalism is a profession. I tend to agree, although things like the Newspaper Guild and governmental press passes to create boundaries between the press and the public. (del.icio.us tags: journalism citizensmedia) [...] [...] Dan Gilmor: Needed: Regulation to Prevent Journalists-Turned-Professors from Embarrassing Themselves The citizen media maven makes some compelling arguments against the idea that journalism is a profession. I tend to agree, although things like the Newspaper Guild and governmental press passes to create boundaries between the press and the public. (del.icio.us tags: journalism citizensmedia) [...]

]]> By: Build the Echo » Blog Archive » links for 2007-12-19 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2275 Build the Echo » Blog Archive » links for 2007-12-19 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:25:51 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/#comment-2275 [...] Center for Citizen Media: Blog » Blog Archive » Needed: Regulation to Prevent Journalists-Turned-P... (tags: citizen_journalism buildtheecho) [...] [...] Center for Citizen Media: Blog » Blog Archive » Needed: Regulation to Prevent Journalists-Turned-P… (tags: citizen_journalism buildtheecho) [...]

]]> By: Robin 'Roblimo' Miller http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2274 Robin 'Roblimo' Miller Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:47:28 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/#comment-2274 This whole "citizen journalism" antagonism is amusing to me. I was a perfectly fine, happy local freelance feature and investigative reporter in the Baltimore area before I jumped to the WWW and suddenly became a "citizen journalist." We're already starting to see a few "citizen journalists" join the mainstream media, and this movement will accelerate in the future. We may also see more local news stringers drawn from their ranks. At least. I hope so. Case in point: a local (Bradenton, FL) newspaper editor recently lamented on her blog about the "danger" into which she was sending a young crime reporter she assigned to cover two murders in a low-income neighborhood where she was a stranger among potentially hostile people. With a well-developed network of stringers (essentially "citizen journalists") on retainer, Little Miss White Bread could have had a local guide to help her find her way around the low-income (euphemism for "black") neighborhood where the murders took place and help fill her learn what led to the shootings. The newspaper would have had better and deeper stories, and Miss White Bread and the White Bread Editor would not have had to deal with as much fear; it's always safer to go on safari amongst the savages with a Native Guide at your side, right? :) And if the traditional media outlets don't want to work with the "natives" (who may be members of any group to which middle-class journalism grads have no close ties, from ghetto residents to FOSS devotees), the "natives can and will set up their own means of news gathering and distribution, which will leave the traditional media right where they are now: in a state of shrinkage, consolidation, and fear. Happy holiday! :) - Robin This whole “citizen journalism” antagonism is amusing to me. I was a perfectly fine, happy local freelance feature and investigative reporter in the Baltimore area before I jumped to the WWW and suddenly became a “citizen journalist.”

We’re already starting to see a few “citizen journalists” join the mainstream media, and this movement will accelerate in the future. We may also see more local news stringers drawn from their ranks.

At least. I hope so. Case in point: a local (Bradenton, FL) newspaper editor recently lamented on her blog about the “danger” into which she was sending a young crime reporter she assigned to cover two murders in a low-income neighborhood where she was a stranger among potentially hostile people. With a well-developed network of stringers (essentially “citizen journalists”) on retainer, Little Miss White Bread could have had a local guide to help her find her way around the low-income (euphemism for “black”) neighborhood where the murders took place and help fill her learn what led to the shootings. The newspaper would have had better and deeper stories, and Miss White Bread and the White Bread Editor would not have had to deal with as much fear; it’s always safer to go on safari amongst the savages with a Native Guide at your side, right? :)

And if the traditional media outlets don’t want to work with the
“natives” (who may be members of any group to which middle-class journalism grads have no close ties, from ghetto residents to FOSS devotees), the “natives can and will set up their own means of news gathering and distribution, which will leave the traditional media right where they are now: in a state of shrinkage, consolidation, and fear.

Happy holiday! :)

- Robin

]]> By: Eyes East: A blog about Dalian and Northeast China » Blog Archive » Citizen journalism for an unharmonious world http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2273 Eyes East: A blog about Dalian and Northeast China » Blog Archive » Citizen journalism for an unharmonious world Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:17:27 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/#comment-2273 [...] Put aside that regulating who gets to report and publish flies the face of the First Amendment. Congress can’t, and the media certainly can’t. So arguing that either should sounds a bit pointless. But hold off on that for a moment. (Or, if you really want a blow-by-blow fisking, read Dan Gillmor’s take). [...] [...] Put aside that regulating who gets to report and publish flies the face of the First Amendment. Congress can’t, and the media certainly can’t. So arguing that either should sounds a bit pointless. But hold off on that for a moment. (Or, if you really want a blow-by-blow fisking, read Dan Gillmor’s take). [...]

]]> By: Jikomboe » David Hazinski: Uandishi wa Raia si lolote, si chochote http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2272 Jikomboe » David Hazinski: Uandishi wa Raia si lolote, si chochote Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:05:39 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/#comment-2272 [...] hapa usome makala nzima ya David Hazinski na bonyeza hapa usome majibu toka kwa Dan Gilmor. [...] [...] hapa usome makala nzima ya David Hazinski na bonyeza hapa usome majibu toka kwa Dan Gilmor. [...]

]]> By: Remains of the day, 12-17-07 | Writes Like She Talks http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2271 Remains of the day, 12-17-07 | Writes Like She Talks Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:07:51 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/#comment-2271 [...] all citizen journalists to them) and Dan Gillmor’s takedown of Hazinski (titled, “Needed: Regulation to Prevent Journalists-Turned-Professors from Embarrassing Themselves), you need to stop what you’re doing and read both [...] [...] all citizen journalists to them) and Dan Gillmor’s takedown of Hazinski (titled, “Needed: Regulation to Prevent Journalists-Turned-Professors from Embarrassing Themselves), you need to stop what you’re doing and read both [...]

]]> By: The Meck Deck » Blog Archive » Certify “Citizen Journalists?” http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2270 The Meck Deck » Blog Archive » Certify “Citizen Journalists?” Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:28:16 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/#comment-2270 [...] ‘citizen journalism’ too risky, which has already been nuked from space by an ace technology writer and by a leader in the citizen journalism [...] [...] ‘citizen journalism’ too risky, which has already been nuked from space by an ace technology writer and by a leader in the citizen journalism [...]

]]> By: JohnofScribbleSheet http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2269 JohnofScribbleSheet Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:08:12 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/#comment-2269 "Supporters of “citizen journalism” argue it provides independent, accurate, reliable information that the traditional media don’t provide." Is this even the case? I dont know anyone involved in citizen journalism who has said it always provides the above. Now David is just putting words in people's mouths. “Supporters of “citizen journalism” argue it provides independent, accurate, reliable information that the traditional media don’t provide.”

Is this even the case? I dont know anyone involved in citizen journalism who has said it always provides the above. Now David is just putting words in people’s mouths.

]]> By: Delia http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2268 Delia Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:37:46 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/#comment-2268 Dan, I thought I posted a comment to this entry (it's unclear to me if it just went missing or it didn't display for a different reason). D. Dan, I thought I posted a comment to this entry (it’s unclear to me if it just went missing or it didn’t display for a different reason). D.

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2267 Seth Finkelstein Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:37:15 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/12/13/needed-regulation-to-prevent-journalists-turned-professors-from-embarrassing-themselves/#comment-2267 Ah, but Dan, you are an A-lister, a conference-clubber, so you don't work well as a Symbol Of All That Is Evil. It wouldn't be very effective (at this stage!) for other A-listers to try to use you that way, no matter what you say. Thus, far from being a contradiction, this shows it's all about baiting the crowd, not substance. People outside that inner circle are in a different social situation. And people who can be used as The Enemy, different yet. The shouters can make it difficult for quiet people to be heard, and a screaming mob can be initmidating (tedious note - this is meant as metaphor, not literal). Ah, but Dan, you are an A-lister, a conference-clubber, so you don’t work well as a Symbol Of All That Is Evil. It wouldn’t be very effective (at this stage!) for other A-listers to try to use you that way, no matter what you say. Thus, far from being a contradiction, this shows it’s all about baiting the crowd, not substance.

People outside that inner circle are in a different social situation. And people who can be used as The Enemy, different yet.

The shouters can make it difficult for quiet people to be heard, and a screaming mob can be initmidating (tedious note – this is meant as metaphor, not literal).

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