Comments on: In London, PhD Candidate Needed for Major CJ Project http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/in-london-phd-candidate-needed-for-major-cj-project/ Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:49:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Delia http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/in-london-phd-candidate-needed-for-major-cj-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1842 Delia Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:17:05 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/in-london-phd-candidate-needed-for-major-cj-project/#comment-1842 Jon, Even if you could get *somebody* to do it... (it seems like you alway *could* -- no matter how unfair, exploitative etc.) it seems sick to promote something like this... (especially to get the academia to become accomplice to this -- they could and *should* do much much better)... re: "a PD student (for what looks like peanuts) would spend her time figuring out how to get *hundreds* of unpaid people to do all sort of work (”not simply opinion”) and just deliver the suckers to the profit-making “Sky News” — yeah, sounds like “a great cause”… “a great opportunity”… I fail to see how this arrangement could possibly be "fun" or anything of the kind... see also:"IF Sky News was a non-profit and this was a way to provide good journalism for the community it would serve (so people doing the work would knowingly and willing want to volunteer to help the community in this way) and other non-profits would be allowed to use the model… it would be a very different story…" Delia P.S. anyways, I think I've had enough of Dan's blog... if an answer to that question cannot be had (please let me know if he ends up clarifying the issue...) otherwise, take care! D. Jon,

Even if you could get *somebody* to do it… (it seems like you alway *could* — no matter how unfair, exploitative etc.) it seems sick to promote something like this… (especially to get the academia to become accomplice to this — they could and *should* do much much better)…

re: “a PD student (for what looks like peanuts) would spend her time figuring out how to get *hundreds* of unpaid people to do all sort of work (”not simply opinion”) and just deliver the suckers to the profit-making “Sky News” — yeah, sounds like “a great cause”… “a great opportunity”…

I fail to see how this arrangement could possibly be “fun” or anything of the kind…

see also:”IF Sky News was a non-profit and this was a way to provide
good journalism for the community it would serve (so people doing the work would knowingly and willing want to volunteer to help the community in this way) and other non-profits would be allowed to use the model… it would be a very different story…”

Delia

P.S. anyways, I think I’ve had enough of Dan’s blog… if an answer to that question cannot be had (please let me know if he ends up clarifying the issue…) otherwise, take care! D.

]]> By: Jon Garfunkel http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/in-london-phd-candidate-needed-for-major-cj-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1841 Jon Garfunkel Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:17:50 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/in-london-phd-candidate-needed-for-major-cj-project/#comment-1841 Delia-- It's an opportunity: Somebody may want to do it. As PhD's go, it's less mind-numbing than running regressions on the number of votes per household per shire, so it may be fun. Life is governed by incentives, but incentives are more varied than money. Jon Delia–

It’s an opportunity: Somebody may want to do it. As PhD’s go, it’s less mind-numbing than running regressions on the number of votes per household per shire, so it may be fun.

Life is governed by incentives, but incentives are more varied than money.

Jon

]]> By: Delia http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/in-london-phd-candidate-needed-for-major-cj-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1840 Delia Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:00:49 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/in-london-phd-candidate-needed-for-major-cj-project/#comment-1840 well, it seems like the "opportunity" is really for "Sky News"... let's see... a PD student (for what looks like peanuts) would spend her time figuring out how to get *hundreds* of unpaid people to do all sort of work ("not simply opinion") and just deliver the suckers to the profit-making "Sky News" -- yeah, sounds like "a great cause"... "a great opportunity"... we should spread this "marvelous idea" to academia -- Rupert Murdock NEEDS the help... everybody help! IF Sky News was a non-profit and this was a way to provide good journalism for the community it would serve (so people doing the work would knowingly and willing want to volunteer to help the community in this way) and other non-profits would be allowed to use the model... it would be a very different story... Delia P.S. Dan, I think you should tell your readers what you *really* think about this stuff -- I mean, at least a couple of times you seemed to imply if not disgust something of that sort towards such "arrangements," yet your own early projects tried to do the same thing, didn't they? It's unclear to me (and I suspect to plenty of other people) if at this point you think people *should* get paid or if you are just hoping somebody else figures out how to get good work for nothing and pocket all the profits... D. well, it seems like the “opportunity” is really for “Sky News”… let’s see… a PD student (for what looks like peanuts) would spend her time figuring out how to get *hundreds* of unpaid people to do all sort of work (“not simply opinion”) and just deliver the suckers to the profit-making “Sky News” — yeah, sounds like “a great cause”… “a great opportunity”… we should spread this “marvelous idea” to academia — Rupert Murdock NEEDS the help… everybody help!

IF Sky News was a non-profit and this was a way to provide
good journalism for the community it would serve (so people doing the work would knowingly and willing want to volunteer to help the community in this way) and other non-profits would be allowed to use the model… it would be a very different story…

Delia

P.S. Dan, I think you should tell your readers what you *really* think about this stuff — I mean, at least a couple of times you seemed to imply if not disgust something of that sort towards such “arrangements,” yet your own early projects tried to do the same thing, didn’t they?

It’s unclear to me (and I suspect to plenty of other people) if at this point you think people *should* get paid or if you are just hoping somebody else figures out how to get good work for nothing and pocket all the profits… D.

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