Comments on: An Astonishing Admission by a Journalism Professor http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/ Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:49:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Michael Skube: just another guy with a blog and an Exhibit A for why bloggers are mad at Corporate Media [A Blog Around The Clock] · Articles http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-1850 Michael Skube: just another guy with a blog and an Exhibit A for why bloggers are mad at Corporate Media [A Blog Around The Clock] · Articles Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:25:57 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/#comment-1850 [...] Dan Gillmor: Here’s the gist. Michael Skube, a former newspaper editor and Pulitzer Prize winner who’s now a journalism professor, wrote an opinion piece for the LA Times in which he flays bloggers for alleged violations of journalistic principles. In this case, Skube writes, bloggers show little willingness to do serious reporting: devoting “time, thorough fact-checking and verification and, most of all, perseverance” to the topic. [...] [...] Dan Gillmor: Here’s the gist. Michael Skube, a former newspaper editor and Pulitzer Prize winner who’s now a journalism professor, wrote an opinion piece for the LA Times in which he flays bloggers for alleged violations of journalistic principles. In this case, Skube writes, bloggers show little willingness to do serious reporting: devoting “time, thorough fact-checking and verification and, most of all, perseverance” to the topic. [...]

]]> By: Bloggers the nouveau journalists? But of course - and THEN some! « “I ain’t lookin’ to compete with you… Beat or cheat or mistreat you… Simplify you, classify you… Deny, defy, or crucify you… All I really wa http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-1849 Bloggers the nouveau journalists? But of course - and THEN some! « “I ain’t lookin’ to compete with you… Beat or cheat or mistreat you… Simplify you, classify you… Deny, defy, or crucify you… All I really wa Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:08:09 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/#comment-1849 [...] Gillmor, a former newspaper man, calls it “journalistic malpractice.” And it is that. Also pedagogical buffoonery. In [...] [...] Gillmor, a former newspaper man, calls it “journalistic malpractice.” And it is that. Also pedagogical buffoonery. In [...]

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-1848 Seth Finkelstein Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:15:06 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/#comment-1848 The comment I had was about good critics being disfavored, because one needs to be obstreperous and ranty to <em>be heard</em> in the bogosphere (of course good criticism exists, but overall, IT'S NOT HEARD). However, self-provingly, it was going to have to be an obstreperous and ranty comment. It didn't seem worth it. Even if it was right it ended up somehow being wrong :-(. The comment I had was about good critics being disfavored, because one needs to be obstreperous and ranty to be heard in the bogosphere (of course good criticism exists, but overall, IT’S NOT HEARD).

However, self-provingly, it was going to have to be an obstreperous and ranty comment.

It didn’t seem worth it. Even if it was right it ended up somehow being wrong :-( .

]]> By: Dan Gillmor http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-1843 Dan Gillmor Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:30:50 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/#comment-1843 :) :)

]]> By: Jon Garfunkel http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-1844 Jon Garfunkel Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:22:53 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/#comment-1844 Oh, Seth, have a heart. Dan, I think Josh was referring to "better critics" of the blogosphere. Oh, Seth, have a heart.
Dan, I think Josh was referring to “better critics” of the blogosphere.

]]> By: Dan Gillmor http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-1846 Dan Gillmor Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:18:58 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/#comment-1846 Seth, one of the *good* things about the blogosphere is the media criticism. Some of it is lousy, but there's a great deal of solid critiquing happening there -- things the traditional media have not done, or done rarely, in the past. Seth, one of the *good* things about the blogosphere is the media criticism. Some of it is lousy, but there’s a great deal of solid critiquing happening there — things the traditional media have not done, or done rarely, in the past.

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-1847 Seth Finkelstein Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:58:39 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/#comment-1847 [Reply dumped for recursive reason about why better critics don't exist] [Reply dumped for recursive reason about why better critics don't exist]

]]> By: Paul Jones http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-1845 Paul Jones Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:40:23 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/08/20/an-astonishing-admission-by-a-journalism-professor/#comment-1845 For other opinions on the Skube pieces see <a href="http://edcone.typepad.com/wordup/2007/08/skube-dont.html" rel="nofollow">Ed Cone's discussion today</a> and <a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2007/08/20/my_advice_retir.html" rel="nofollow">Jay Rosen's response to Skube (hint the word "Retire" is used</a>. For other opinions on the Skube pieces see Ed Cone’s discussion today and Jay Rosen’s response to Skube (hint the word “Retire” is used.

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