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		<title>By: Center for Citizen Media: Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Financial Meltdown: Journalists Ignored the Early and Obvious Signs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Center for Citizen Media: Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Financial Meltdown: Journalists Ignored the Early and Obvious Signs</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Tuesday links 21 August 2007 : Real Central VA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuesday links 21 August 2007 : Real Central VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a comment left on a bubble blog - http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/05/buyers-builders-lenders-may-get-burned.html - in Spring 2005:

&quot;There was also a piece on ABC Evening News last night about the housing boom )

And on NBC, CBS, PBS, CNBC, the NYTimes, WSJ, LATimes, every newspaper, every magazine, etc.

Yet last week&#039;s Gallup Poll shows that 77% of Americans had never heard of &quot;the housing bubble&quot;. That&#039;s not 3 out of 4 who disagree that there is a housing bubble, but 3 out of 4 who have never heard a peep about housing prices getting a wee bit frisky.

Jeebus H. Kee-riced!

Are 3 out of 4 people illiterate or simply don&#039;t read or watch the news? Now we know why the ratings for American Idol and Desperate Housewives are so high.&quot;

I guess now you&#039;re going to ask why didn&#039;t those journalists go round in person and slap every homeowner round the face with a wet haddock and scream: &quot;Wake up dumbass, there&#039;s a bubble!&quot; Or that the commenter dreamt up all those headlines from, erm, more than two years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a comment left on a bubble blog &#8211; <a href="http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/05/buyers-builders-lenders-may-get-burned.html" rel="nofollow">http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/05/buyers-builders-lenders-may-get-burned.html</a> &#8211; in Spring 2005:</p>
<p>&#8220;There was also a piece on ABC Evening News last night about the housing boom )</p>
<p>And on NBC, CBS, PBS, CNBC, the NYTimes, WSJ, LATimes, every newspaper, every magazine, etc.</p>
<p>Yet last week&#8217;s Gallup Poll shows that 77% of Americans had never heard of &#8220;the housing bubble&#8221;. That&#8217;s not 3 out of 4 who disagree that there is a housing bubble, but 3 out of 4 who have never heard a peep about housing prices getting a wee bit frisky.</p>
<p>Jeebus H. Kee-riced!</p>
<p>Are 3 out of 4 people illiterate or simply don&#8217;t read or watch the news? Now we know why the ratings for American Idol and Desperate Housewives are so high.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess now you&#8217;re going to ask why didn&#8217;t those journalists go round in person and slap every homeowner round the face with a wet haddock and scream: &#8220;Wake up dumbass, there&#8217;s a bubble!&#8221; Or that the commenter dreamt up all those headlines from, erm, more than two years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gillmor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many if not most papers have special weekly real estate pages or sections where you would find little hint of the potential for trouble. I know I looked for it in the papers I read. That&#039;s where the discussion belonged, not in the occasional business page stories. Hundreds of references to bubbles, most in the past year and not when there was a chance to slow down that train, were dwarfed by comparison to the buying advice that dominated coverage of real estate overall. And I didn&#039;t say there was deliberate suppression of the news, just the natural way the business operates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many if not most papers have special weekly real estate pages or sections where you would find little hint of the potential for trouble. I know I looked for it in the papers I read. That&#8217;s where the discussion belonged, not in the occasional business page stories. Hundreds of references to bubbles, most in the past year and not when there was a chance to slow down that train, were dwarfed by comparison to the buying advice that dominated coverage of real estate overall. And I didn&#8217;t say there was deliberate suppression of the news, just the natural way the business operates.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am based outside of the US: yet in every conversation about the future of the general economy that I have had over the last two-three years has been centred on the US housing bubble. I certainly didn&#039;t get that from blogs and nor did the people I talked to - this was something discussed very much in traditional media.

You could argue that the discussion was in the business pages versus the property pages, but it was there. And, in fact, in all of this discussion, the one person who has not presented evidence to back up your position it is yourself. You declare that there is a mismatch, yet I have seen no quantifiable justification for your position only your opinion that &quot;the press didn&#039;t do enough&quot;. Basic searches on news sources reveal hundreds of references to phrases like &quot;housing bubble&quot;. Where is your evidence that warnings weren&#039;t there?

Furthermore, where is your evidence that journalists on newspapers etc suppressed concerns about the housing bubble because they wanted the property advertising? Those are big accusations. Do you have proof?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am based outside of the US: yet in every conversation about the future of the general economy that I have had over the last two-three years has been centred on the US housing bubble. I certainly didn&#8217;t get that from blogs and nor did the people I talked to &#8211; this was something discussed very much in traditional media.</p>
<p>You could argue that the discussion was in the business pages versus the property pages, but it was there. And, in fact, in all of this discussion, the one person who has not presented evidence to back up your position it is yourself. You declare that there is a mismatch, yet I have seen no quantifiable justification for your position only your opinion that &#8220;the press didn&#8217;t do enough&#8221;. Basic searches on news sources reveal hundreds of references to phrases like &#8220;housing bubble&#8221;. Where is your evidence that warnings weren&#8217;t there?</p>
<p>Furthermore, where is your evidence that journalists on newspapers etc suppressed concerns about the housing bubble because they wanted the property advertising? Those are big accusations. Do you have proof?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gillmor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, the major uh-oh coverage didn&#039;t really get going until about a year ago -- far, far too late to make much difference.

Again, I&#039;m not saying this is solely the media&#039;s fault. Lord knows the regulators basically ignored this until way, way, way too late. But if journalists had piled onto the story early, we might be in less trouble than we are today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, the major uh-oh coverage didn&#8217;t really get going until about a year ago &#8212; far, far too late to make much difference.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not saying this is solely the media&#8217;s fault. Lord knows the regulators basically ignored this until way, way, way too late. But if journalists had piled onto the story early, we might be in less trouble than we are today.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gillmor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Tom. The bubble couldn&#039;t have occurred without the CDO funny money.

One of the newsweeklies had a story last week -- last week -- blaming Wall Street for the bubble and explaining a lot of this. As you say, now they tell us.

They also quoted a woman who discovered that the paperwork for her mortgage listed her income at double the actual amount. I am skeptical that she didn&#039;t know. Extremely skeptical. Yet there&#039;s not a hint in the story that she might have been in on the arrangement...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Tom. The bubble couldn&#8217;t have occurred without the CDO funny money.</p>
<p>One of the newsweeklies had a story last week &#8212; last week &#8212; blaming Wall Street for the bubble and explaining a lot of this. As you say, now they tell us.</p>
<p>They also quoted a woman who discovered that the paperwork for her mortgage listed her income at double the actual amount. I am skeptical that she didn&#8217;t know. Extremely skeptical. Yet there&#8217;s not a hint in the story that she might have been in on the arrangement&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stites</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my mind, counting stories about housing prices and subprime mortgages in this paper or that doesn&#039;t address Dan&#039;s point:  The fact is, the general public was caught unaware by the financial crisis we&#039;re experiencing.  If we had ideal news organizations, the general public wouldn&#039;t have been caught unaware.

My experience as a news consumer was no shortage of housing bubble stories but almost nothing on CDOs, or collareralized debt obligations -- the funny money bond-like instruments issued by bank-like institutions that aren&#039;t banks and thus aren&#039;t regulated.  What I read about hedge funds was awe-struck stories how many tons of millions their operators were making, not about how they made the tons of millions in ways that undermined the financial structure.

With the exception of Paul Krugman&#039;s op-ed column in The Times, I saw almost nothing that even began to poke at such stories.  Granted, the hedge funds and Wall Street financial wizards work hard at being opaque.  But for ideal news organizations, the more veiled the secrets the greater the reason to do the hard reporting that will pull back the curtain and expose the secrets to the light and air.

Right now the inherent flimsiness of CDOs has cracked them open to the light and air.  Wouldn&#039;t it have been better if reporters had cracked them open a long time ago?

In his op-ed column about energy efficiency and global warming in today&#039;s Times, Nick Kristoff crystalizes the weakness in business as usual in our news organizations :   &quot;I can’t help feeling that we in the news media are part of the reason that steps to battle climate change aren’t on top of the national agenda. We’re good at covering things that happen on any one day — like a tornado or hurricane — but weak at covering complex trends, like climate change.&quot;

Same with financial ecology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my mind, counting stories about housing prices and subprime mortgages in this paper or that doesn&#8217;t address Dan&#8217;s point:  The fact is, the general public was caught unaware by the financial crisis we&#8217;re experiencing.  If we had ideal news organizations, the general public wouldn&#8217;t have been caught unaware.</p>
<p>My experience as a news consumer was no shortage of housing bubble stories but almost nothing on CDOs, or collareralized debt obligations &#8212; the funny money bond-like instruments issued by bank-like institutions that aren&#8217;t banks and thus aren&#8217;t regulated.  What I read about hedge funds was awe-struck stories how many tons of millions their operators were making, not about how they made the tons of millions in ways that undermined the financial structure.</p>
<p>With the exception of Paul Krugman&#8217;s op-ed column in The Times, I saw almost nothing that even began to poke at such stories.  Granted, the hedge funds and Wall Street financial wizards work hard at being opaque.  But for ideal news organizations, the more veiled the secrets the greater the reason to do the hard reporting that will pull back the curtain and expose the secrets to the light and air.</p>
<p>Right now the inherent flimsiness of CDOs has cracked them open to the light and air.  Wouldn&#8217;t it have been better if reporters had cracked them open a long time ago?</p>
<p>In his op-ed column about energy efficiency and global warming in today&#8217;s Times, Nick Kristoff crystalizes the weakness in business as usual in our news organizations :   &#8220;I can’t help feeling that we in the news media are part of the reason that steps to battle climate change aren’t on top of the national agenda. We’re good at covering things that happen on any one day — like a tornado or hurricane — but weak at covering complex trends, like climate change.&#8221;</p>
<p>Same with financial ecology.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

I cited a few stories because I was able to find them in a few minutes of searching, not as an exhaustive accounting of all of the reporting the Post did. As it stands, though, it&#039;s a greater body of evidence than you have so far supplied to back your assertions (stated and implied) that journalists either knowingly or ignorantly boosted the housing market and may have done so for their own benefit. I&#039;d like to see some evidence of this - if you have specific reporters or papers who engaged in those tactics, I think we&#039;d all be the better for knowing who they are.

Derek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>I cited a few stories because I was able to find them in a few minutes of searching, not as an exhaustive accounting of all of the reporting the Post did. As it stands, though, it&#8217;s a greater body of evidence than you have so far supplied to back your assertions (stated and implied) that journalists either knowingly or ignorantly boosted the housing market and may have done so for their own benefit. I&#8217;d like to see some evidence of this &#8211; if you have specific reporters or papers who engaged in those tactics, I think we&#8217;d all be the better for knowing who they are.</p>
<p>Derek</p>
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		<title>By: steve baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, Didn&#039;t you have a strong feeling that we were in a real estate bubble? I did. I was sick of reading the stories about the pending catastrophes in Southern California and Florida, the ludicrous no-money down mortgages. Paul Krugman wrote about this in the Times about once every three weeks. I didn&#039;t feel misserved by the press on this one. The only thing they didn&#039;t tell me was when.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, Didn&#8217;t you have a strong feeling that we were in a real estate bubble? I did. I was sick of reading the stories about the pending catastrophes in Southern California and Florida, the ludicrous no-money down mortgages. Paul Krugman wrote about this in the Times about once every three weeks. I didn&#8217;t feel misserved by the press on this one. The only thing they didn&#8217;t tell me was when.</p>
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