Comments on: Amateurish "Cult of the Amateur" http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/ Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:40:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Depois dos amadores, Andrew Keen investe contra o Google « Webmanário http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-1552 Depois dos amadores, Andrew Keen investe contra o Google « Webmanário Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:05:05 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-1552 [...] of the Amateur“, se transformou num clássico da contracorrente (e também do mau humor), criticado até as últimas consequências pelos entusiastas do livre [...] [...] of the Amateur“, se transformou num clássico da contracorrente (e também do mau humor), criticado até as últimas consequências pelos entusiastas do livre [...]

]]> By: Defending the Amateur « mtippett http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-1551 Defending the Amateur « mtippett Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:52:37 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-1551 [...] citmedia.org via [...] [...] citmedia.org via [...]

]]> By: Jeff Coleman http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-1550 Jeff Coleman Sat, 30 Jun 2007 05:03:32 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-1550 Sean-- How old are your nieces? It sounds like they're in their teens or younger. Show me a time in history when older people DIDN'T find the mass of teenagers fairly banal to interact with. In the 80's it was all about "Oh my god, gag me with a spoon", and how tight to wear your acid wash jeans or what kind of bow goes with what type of sweater. In the 60's, kids were crazy over those long-haired Beatles and their "yeah yeah yeah"s. In the 50's it was poodle skirts and rock-and-roll. The 20's had flagpole sitting and phone booth packing. My point is, the internet may impact the specifics of why you find your niece and her friends to be shallow, but the underlying causes are just human nature. The internet is mostly irrelevant to a discussion of that. Sean–

How old are your nieces? It sounds like they’re in their teens or younger. Show me a time in history when older people DIDN’T find the mass of teenagers fairly banal to interact with. In the 80’s it was all about “Oh my god, gag me with a spoon”, and how tight to wear your acid wash jeans or what kind of bow goes with what type of sweater. In the 60’s, kids were crazy over those long-haired Beatles and their “yeah yeah yeah”s. In the 50’s it was poodle skirts and rock-and-roll. The 20’s had flagpole sitting and phone booth packing.

My point is, the internet may impact the specifics of why you find your niece and her friends to be shallow, but the underlying causes are just human nature. The internet is mostly irrelevant to a discussion of that.

]]> By: Ralfy http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-1549 Ralfy Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:12:46 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-1549 What I find interesting is that many of the articulate critics of Keen's book grew up without Youtube, Wikipedia, and the Internet. What I find interesting is that many of the articulate critics of Keen’s book grew up without Youtube, Wikipedia, and the Internet.

]]> By: ViNT // Vision - Inspiration - Navigation - Trends » Helpt Internet ons naar de kloten? http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-1548 ViNT // Vision - Inspiration - Navigation - Trends » Helpt Internet ons naar de kloten? Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:44:36 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-1548 [...] frisse blik wordt natuurlijk niet door iedereen gewaardeerd. Guru’s Dan Gillmor, Jeff Jarvis en Lawrence Lessig hebben hun kritiek al gespuid, zelfs voordat het boek in de winkel [...] [...] frisse blik wordt natuurlijk niet door iedereen gewaardeerd. Guru’s Dan Gillmor, Jeff Jarvis en Lawrence Lessig hebben hun kritiek al gespuid, zelfs voordat het boek in de winkel [...]

]]> By: Sean http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-1547 Sean Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:20:16 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-1547 Sabrina, no doubt you're right - there are quite a number of people out there who are highly educated and use Wikipedia and YouTube. However, I look at my niece and her friends and a lot of them are simple bores to talk to - no imagination, constantly tied to their cell phones, dress like tramps, hardly ever read a string of text beyond "lol! OMG, LFAO, UR so meen." Many many aren't like this, but reading your statement, it occurred to me a lot of kids are where I live :-/ "Let’s definitely have that debate. But let’s base it on facts, not falsehoods and demagoguery." Eh, the whole book is one guy's opinion. The biggest "facts" you're going to get are some questionable statistics and internet-user diagrams all subject to opinion. At the risk of sounding old, just back away from the monitor and look around you, are the kids dead heads? Sabrina, no doubt you’re right – there are quite a number of people out there who are highly educated and use Wikipedia and YouTube. However, I look at my niece and her friends and a lot of them are simple bores to talk to – no imagination, constantly tied to their cell phones, dress like tramps, hardly ever read a string of text beyond “lol! OMG, LFAO, UR so meen.” Many many aren’t like this, but reading your statement, it occurred to me a lot of kids are where I live :-/

“Let’s definitely have that debate. But let’s base it on facts, not falsehoods and demagoguery.”

Eh, the whole book is one guy’s opinion. The biggest “facts” you’re going to get are some questionable statistics and internet-user diagrams all subject to opinion.

At the risk of sounding old, just back away from the monitor and look around you, are the kids dead heads?

]]> By: Le culte de l’amateur http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-1546 Le culte de l’amateur Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:27:13 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-1546 [...] our Culture” d’Andrew Keen. J’avais déjà entendu parlé de la chose dans ce texte qui met les choses en [...] [...] our Culture” d’Andrew Keen. J’avais déjà entendu parlé de la chose dans ce texte qui met les choses en [...]

]]> By: Center for Citizen Media: Blog » Blog Archive » Amateurish Pro Journalism Promotes Dishonest Book http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-1545 Center for Citizen Media: Blog » Blog Archive » Amateurish Pro Journalism Promotes Dishonest Book Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:00:11 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-1545 [...] noted here and elsewhere, the book is rife with falsehoods and misrepresentations, but journalists [...] [...] noted here and elsewhere, the book is rife with falsehoods and misrepresentations, but journalists [...]

]]> By: Scott Rosenberg’s Wordyard » Blog Archive » The blog-dimmed tide is loosed! http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-1544 Scott Rosenberg’s Wordyard » Blog Archive » The blog-dimmed tide is loosed! Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:48:55 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-1544 [...] of the Amateur. Keen’s critique has already raised mountains of ire, from people including Dan Gillmor, Dave Winer, and Terry Heaton (who calls it “a whining, outrageous and defensive fantasy [...] [...] of the Amateur. Keen’s critique has already raised mountains of ire, from people including Dan Gillmor, Dave Winer, and Terry Heaton (who calls it “a whining, outrageous and defensive fantasy [...]

]]> By: Decontructing the Cult of the Amateur « reportr.net http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-1543 Decontructing the Cult of the Amateur « reportr.net Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:25:06 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/06/05/amateurish-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-1543 [...] have not read the book so will refrain from comment. But I can recommend two reviews of it. Dan Gillmor describes it as “a shabby and dishonest treatment of an important topic”. And Lawrence Lessig offers a [...] [...] have not read the book so will refrain from comment. But I can recommend two reviews of it. Dan Gillmor describes it as “a shabby and dishonest treatment of an important topic”. And Lawrence Lessig offers a [...]

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