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	<title>Comments on: Clubby Pro Journalism in Sacramento</title>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/03/01/clubby-pro-journalism-in-sacramento/comment-page-1/#comment-1104</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look forward to it.

I hope I&#039;m not insulting your intelligence, but of course many of the trivial solutions have obvious problems:

First-come first-served: The wealthy organizations will just buy up the slots using interns to stand in line (as they do now in some situations)

Lottery: Seems overly ideological, and also easy to astroturf (start up hundreds of member blogs and enter them all as &quot;citizens&quot;).

Media Blogger’s Association as intermediary: Lots of people don&#039;t like that, say it&#039;s a just another old-boys-club (disclaimer: I&#039;m a member, and I know you are too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look forward to it.</p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m not insulting your intelligence, but of course many of the trivial solutions have obvious problems:</p>
<p>First-come first-served: The wealthy organizations will just buy up the slots using interns to stand in line (as they do now in some situations)</p>
<p>Lottery: Seems overly ideological, and also easy to astroturf (start up hundreds of member blogs and enter them all as &#8220;citizens&#8221;).</p>
<p>Media Blogger’s Association as intermediary: Lots of people don&#8217;t like that, say it&#8217;s a just another old-boys-club (disclaimer: I&#8217;m a member, and I know you are too).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gillmor</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/03/01/clubby-pro-journalism-in-sacramento/comment-page-1/#comment-1103</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Seth -- look for another posting on this topic soon. I&#039;ll suggest in some detail how I see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Seth &#8212; look for another posting on this topic soon. I&#8217;ll suggest in some detail how I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/03/01/clubby-pro-journalism-in-sacramento/comment-page-1/#comment-1100</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 01:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, that just repeated the original set-piece, i.e., didn&#039;t answer the question.

Q: In a situation of journalistic scarcity, how should the positions be allocated?

not-A: Old media bad. New media good. Old media == gatekeepers, elitists, priests. New media == democratic, people, rebels. There should be no scarcity. The public interest for the interested public. Four legs good, two legs bad ...

But in a non-ideal world, if a decision has to be made under imperfect and rationed circumstances, what should it be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, that just repeated the original set-piece, i.e., didn&#8217;t answer the question.</p>
<p>Q: In a situation of journalistic scarcity, how should the positions be allocated?</p>
<p>not-A: Old media bad. New media good. Old media == gatekeepers, elitists, priests. New media == democratic, people, rebels. There should be no scarcity. The public interest for the interested public. Four legs good, two legs bad &#8230;</p>
<p>But in a non-ideal world, if a decision has to be made under imperfect and rationed circumstances, what should it be?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gillmor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What they did was counter-productive. It only reinforced the traditional folks&#039; standing and did nothing at all to open up the system.

The gatekeeping would be a lot less troublesome, of course, if legislatures would just put cameras into the chambers and committee rooms -- and made all of what they do in public places part of the public domain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What they did was counter-productive. It only reinforced the traditional folks&#8217; standing and did nothing at all to open up the system.</p>
<p>The gatekeeping would be a lot less troublesome, of course, if legislatures would just put cameras into the chambers and committee rooms &#8212; and made all of what they do in public places part of the public domain.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/03/01/clubby-pro-journalism-in-sacramento/comment-page-1/#comment-1102</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm, what would they have done? I see this sort of set-piece all the time, almost the same words over and over again - the theme is the bad gatekeepers oppressing the brave revolutionaries.

What should be done?

Seriously. I&#039;ve been through this myself in various forms. Do you propose a lottery for the slots? First-come, first-served? Something like the Media Blogger&#039;s Association making the decision?

There&#039;s always going to be scarce resources somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, what would they have done? I see this sort of set-piece all the time, almost the same words over and over again &#8211; the theme is the bad gatekeepers oppressing the brave revolutionaries.</p>
<p>What should be done?</p>
<p>Seriously. I&#8217;ve been through this myself in various forms. Do you propose a lottery for the slots? First-come, first-served? Something like the Media Blogger&#8217;s Association making the decision?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s always going to be scarce resources somewhere.</p>
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