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		<title>By: Community Media in Transition &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Role of the Center in Community Media Practice</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/02/21/beyond-broadcast-future-of-public-access-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-1085</link>
		<dc:creator>Community Media in Transition &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Role of the Center in Community Media Practice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that YouTube eliminates the need for public access television in the digital age and the second, from Dan Gillmor, sounds quite [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Maranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Maranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We certainly need capacity for multi-modal public and community media.  We should be birthing for the next generation a hybrid Community Media and Technology Center... places of production in multiple media for diverse means of dissemination.  CTC 2.0 should be integral to  the United Stations concept.

And we can take it further... these can integrate with a new approach to community development and function as active centers of community mapping.  The content we are producing is often a distilled map or conveys the community capacity for self-mapping.  We need better mechanisms for sharing our maps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We certainly need capacity for multi-modal public and community media.  We should be birthing for the next generation a hybrid Community Media and Technology Center&#8230; places of production in multiple media for diverse means of dissemination.  CTC 2.0 should be integral to  the United Stations concept.</p>
<p>And we can take it further&#8230; these can integrate with a new approach to community development and function as active centers of community mapping.  The content we are producing is often a distilled map or conveys the community capacity for self-mapping.  We need better mechanisms for sharing our maps.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very important to realize that there&#039;s two different senses of the word &quot;public&quot; in play:

1) Non-market, not business, value other than the profit motive, civic society.

2) The suckers, the chumps, the mass resource to be exploited.

Think of the saying &quot;There is a difference between the public interest [#1] and what interests the public [#2]&quot;. You can hear the sense-shift there.

Much of the New Media rhetoric is actually meaning #2, but is engineered to sound like meaning #1, and this can be very confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very important to realize that there&#8217;s two different senses of the word &#8220;public&#8221; in play:</p>
<p>1) Non-market, not business, value other than the profit motive, civic society.</p>
<p>2) The suckers, the chumps, the mass resource to be exploited.</p>
<p>Think of the saying &#8220;There is a difference between the public interest [#1] and what interests the public [#2]&#8220;. You can hear the sense-shift there.</p>
<p>Much of the New Media rhetoric is actually meaning #2, but is engineered to sound like meaning #1, and this can be very confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Wassenaar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Wassenaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good discussion.  There&#039;s lots to say here, but I&#039;ll add only one thing that community media centers add that&#039;s lost in the debate:  Economic value to local communities.

One real example:  In Saint Paul, a community of 280,000 people, our center does video training and low-cost (or no-cost) equipment loans to the entire community (it&#039;s sort of a like a library...are we to get rid of them as well?).

The commercial value of the equipment loans alone is over $1m a year in my community.   That doesn&#039;t include the $ value of training, and other services to non-profits and community groups (this includes multiple types of production and distribution, including dvd, web, cable and broadcast).

GoogleVideo, YouTube, and other internet distribution vehicles don&#039;t do that in my community.    They provide a valuable distribution (and collaboration) medium, but they can&#039;t replace a CMC.

Community Media Centers can increase educational training and build creative and economic value.   Multiply out the value across U-S communities to look at the hidden benefit of access television, and don&#039;t just concentrate on the channels and distribution.

One other note:  I&#039;ve been training citizen journalists for 15 years in the community radio and television movements.   It&#039;s kind of funny to hear people talk about training the public to do journalism as a new thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good discussion.  There&#8217;s lots to say here, but I&#8217;ll add only one thing that community media centers add that&#8217;s lost in the debate:  Economic value to local communities.</p>
<p>One real example:  In Saint Paul, a community of 280,000 people, our center does video training and low-cost (or no-cost) equipment loans to the entire community (it&#8217;s sort of a like a library&#8230;are we to get rid of them as well?).</p>
<p>The commercial value of the equipment loans alone is over $1m a year in my community.   That doesn&#8217;t include the $ value of training, and other services to non-profits and community groups (this includes multiple types of production and distribution, including dvd, web, cable and broadcast).</p>
<p>GoogleVideo, YouTube, and other internet distribution vehicles don&#8217;t do that in my community.    They provide a valuable distribution (and collaboration) medium, but they can&#8217;t replace a CMC.</p>
<p>Community Media Centers can increase educational training and build creative and economic value.   Multiply out the value across U-S communities to look at the hidden benefit of access television, and don&#8217;t just concentrate on the channels and distribution.</p>
<p>One other note:  I&#8217;ve been training citizen journalists for 15 years in the community radio and television movements.   It&#8217;s kind of funny to hear people talk about training the public to do journalism as a new thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seem to me we should looking for more ways to create public funding and public infrastructure for all sorts of media and communicaitons systems.  Public access tv. ciiizen journalism, community radio, public television, independent press, public libraries, and a whole host of public communication and information should be advocated for and maintained.  And it would seem that we should be seeking compensation not just in the cable industry, but should be asking the telcos, satellite providers, cell phone companies, media companies for fair payment for their use of public lands, air, spectrum, space and any host of other public resources being use to generate private gains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seem to me we should looking for more ways to create public funding and public infrastructure for all sorts of media and communicaitons systems.  Public access tv. ciiizen journalism, community radio, public television, independent press, public libraries, and a whole host of public communication and information should be advocated for and maintained.  And it would seem that we should be seeking compensation not just in the cable industry, but should be asking the telcos, satellite providers, cell phone companies, media companies for fair payment for their use of public lands, air, spectrum, space and any host of other public resources being use to generate private gains.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every emerging communications technology has had some form of public set-aside - some more successful than others. PBS/NPR for broadcast TV and radio, college stations for the original FM spectrum allocations, nonprofit and educational channels for DBS systems, and of course public, educational and governmental (PEG) access channels for cable TV. It&#039;s crucial that everytime we, as a society, create avenues for commercial communication that we also set-aside a portion for non-commercial and public interest uses. Diverting PEG resources to other media, as Dan suggests, would eliminate what few green spaces exist in a medium that occupies the attention of many families eight or more hours a day.

Keep in mind that PEG, like LPFM can be the most local of local media - narrowcasting to a small segment of the community, often in their own language. It can also follow broadcast models and there are many examples of national news and information programs that originate from PEG (Democracy Now, Gay USA, etc). In terms of diversity, more hours of PEG TV are produced by minority communities than by all the commercial networks - combined. So, if we want to talk seriously about the need for localism and diversity in media production - how could we ever consider eliminating PEG?

The problem with PEG is that it is only an option for cities to negotiate for - not a mandate. As a result PEG is uneven around the country in terms of penetration, models of operations, number of channels and facility capacity. In the best case scenarios, PEG is a vibrant and essential part of the local community, serving many functions, from town meetings to varied course offerings - including in new technologies. Worst case scenarios are cities with only channels run by the cable companies themselves - and who make it as difficult as possible for members of the public to participate. This explains why there are such differing perceptions of PEG.

Rather than dumping PEG as Dan suggests, our efforts should be directed toward leveraging and strengthening these resources. Many PEG centers have been allied with the CTC movement since the beginning - as well as public libraries. There&#039;s no shortage of the types of innovations Dan is looking for - in many cities what he proposes is already happening and members of the public are web-casting and cable-casting their videos

Also, there really is no conflict between online video and existing models for PEG, in fact for those of us working in PEG - we see opportunities, not competition. And many finding success online, credit PEG with helping them get there (see: http://www.waxingamerica.com/2007/02/chad_vader_crea.html).

Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every emerging communications technology has had some form of public set-aside &#8211; some more successful than others. PBS/NPR for broadcast TV and radio, college stations for the original FM spectrum allocations, nonprofit and educational channels for DBS systems, and of course public, educational and governmental (PEG) access channels for cable TV. It&#8217;s crucial that everytime we, as a society, create avenues for commercial communication that we also set-aside a portion for non-commercial and public interest uses. Diverting PEG resources to other media, as Dan suggests, would eliminate what few green spaces exist in a medium that occupies the attention of many families eight or more hours a day.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that PEG, like LPFM can be the most local of local media &#8211; narrowcasting to a small segment of the community, often in their own language. It can also follow broadcast models and there are many examples of national news and information programs that originate from PEG (Democracy Now, Gay USA, etc). In terms of diversity, more hours of PEG TV are produced by minority communities than by all the commercial networks &#8211; combined. So, if we want to talk seriously about the need for localism and diversity in media production &#8211; how could we ever consider eliminating PEG?</p>
<p>The problem with PEG is that it is only an option for cities to negotiate for &#8211; not a mandate. As a result PEG is uneven around the country in terms of penetration, models of operations, number of channels and facility capacity. In the best case scenarios, PEG is a vibrant and essential part of the local community, serving many functions, from town meetings to varied course offerings &#8211; including in new technologies. Worst case scenarios are cities with only channels run by the cable companies themselves &#8211; and who make it as difficult as possible for members of the public to participate. This explains why there are such differing perceptions of PEG.</p>
<p>Rather than dumping PEG as Dan suggests, our efforts should be directed toward leveraging and strengthening these resources. Many PEG centers have been allied with the CTC movement since the beginning &#8211; as well as public libraries. There&#8217;s no shortage of the types of innovations Dan is looking for &#8211; in many cities what he proposes is already happening and members of the public are web-casting and cable-casting their videos</p>
<p>Also, there really is no conflict between online video and existing models for PEG, in fact for those of us working in PEG &#8211; we see opportunities, not competition. And many finding success online, credit PEG with helping them get there (see: <a href="http://www.waxingamerica.com/2007/02/chad_vader_crea.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.waxingamerica.com/2007/02/chad_vader_crea.html</a>).</p>
<p>Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Pie and Coffee &#187; Looking back at Beyond Broadcast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pie and Coffee &#187; Looking back at Beyond Broadcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Holmes Wilson/Dan Gillmor/drinking with WGBH: I don&#8217;t think Holmes will be there this year, but Dan Gillmor is back and talking about the future of public access TV, a subject close to my heart. He&#8217;s blogged some of his thoughts here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Holmes Wilson/Dan Gillmor/drinking with WGBH: I don&#8217;t think Holmes will be there this year, but Dan Gillmor is back and talking about the future of public access TV, a subject close to my heart. He&#8217;s blogged some of his thoughts here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to undercurrent of this discussion: the citizen journalism-blogger movement is not opposition to public access, it&#039;s just moved faster technologically than most TV stations have been able to adapt.  Public Access centers will inevitably catch up with Internet distribution technology because the ideology, facilities and training programs already exist to support this transition.

This is not a bloggers v. television producers, Internet v. cable, analog v. digital discussion. We have the same endgame in mind (the endgame being an informed and engaged society).

I prefer an empathetic stance - we, the alternative press - must stick together (sound the trumpets, I hear a &quot;divided house&quot; speech coming on).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to undercurrent of this discussion: the citizen journalism-blogger movement is not opposition to public access, it&#8217;s just moved faster technologically than most TV stations have been able to adapt.  Public Access centers will inevitably catch up with Internet distribution technology because the ideology, facilities and training programs already exist to support this transition.</p>
<p>This is not a bloggers v. television producers, Internet v. cable, analog v. digital discussion. We have the same endgame in mind (the endgame being an informed and engaged society).</p>
<p>I prefer an empathetic stance &#8211; we, the alternative press &#8211; must stick together (sound the trumpets, I hear a &#8220;divided house&#8221; speech coming on).</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben - the problem is that the &quot;citizen media movement&quot; is *institutionally* tied into serving the interests of Big Corporate Media, via promoting digital-sharecropping and unpaid freelancing as the highest form of civic virtue. This is not a matter of bad people - it&#039;s a matter of *where* *the* *money* *is* (and its corollary, attention).

So you&#039;ll see endless proposals of the form: &quot;Let&#039;s give Big Corporate Media this sweetheart deal, because It&#039;s A New Era and THE INTERNET&quot;.

Because that will get echo by media interests, and the opposite ... won&#039;t.

Second time - it&#039;s not about any particular person. It&#039;s a systems effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben &#8211; the problem is that the &#8220;citizen media movement&#8221; is *institutionally* tied into serving the interests of Big Corporate Media, via promoting digital-sharecropping and unpaid freelancing as the highest form of civic virtue. This is not a matter of bad people &#8211; it&#8217;s a matter of *where* *the* *money* *is* (and its corollary, attention).</p>
<p>So you&#8217;ll see endless proposals of the form: &#8220;Let&#8217;s give Big Corporate Media this sweetheart deal, because It&#8217;s A New Era and THE INTERNET&#8221;.</p>
<p>Because that will get echo by media interests, and the opposite &#8230; won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Second time &#8211; it&#8217;s not about any particular person. It&#8217;s a systems effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Sheldon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not understand why the community/citizen media movement should completely abandon a distribution medium as important and influential as television.  I&#039;m assuming that the cable corporations are more clever than we are, and I don&#039;t see them dumping television in full-favor of the internet anytime soon.

On a practical matter, how do you propose in phasing out franchise television?  On a state or federal policy level?  That&#039;s no better than what the cable corporations are lobbying for.

Cable Access Television has, over the past 30 years, been one of the most amazing examples of grassroots politics and localism.  Maybe this is because small-town city councilors like seeing themselves on TV, but the fact that thousands of small towns and cities have independently negotiated for what they believe best serves their community is fantastic.  To now proclaim that they can&#039;t determine what is in their community&#039;s best interest does them a great disservice.

If we believe that access to new media technologies is important, it should be our role to help *evolve* those stations and media centers that agree and try to *persuade* those that don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not understand why the community/citizen media movement should completely abandon a distribution medium as important and influential as television.  I&#8217;m assuming that the cable corporations are more clever than we are, and I don&#8217;t see them dumping television in full-favor of the internet anytime soon.</p>
<p>On a practical matter, how do you propose in phasing out franchise television?  On a state or federal policy level?  That&#8217;s no better than what the cable corporations are lobbying for.</p>
<p>Cable Access Television has, over the past 30 years, been one of the most amazing examples of grassroots politics and localism.  Maybe this is because small-town city councilors like seeing themselves on TV, but the fact that thousands of small towns and cities have independently negotiated for what they believe best serves their community is fantastic.  To now proclaim that they can&#8217;t determine what is in their community&#8217;s best interest does them a great disservice.</p>
<p>If we believe that access to new media technologies is important, it should be our role to help *evolve* those stations and media centers that agree and try to *persuade* those that don&#8217;t.</p>
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