Comments on: Connecting Readership with Pay http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/ Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:40:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: 没人看，是因为你写的太烂了 : 先驱博客 - The Blog Herald China http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1003 没人看，是因为你写的太烂了 : 先驱博客 - The Blog Herald China Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:19:18 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/#comment-1003 [...] 基本上，没什么新鲜的。 “发黄的记者学”已经一个世纪了，广播电视的“周头条”也几十年了。 如同Dan Gillmor指出的，超市小报一直靠耸人听闻来骗钱。 [...] [...] 基本上，没什么新鲜的。 “发黄的记者学”已经一个世纪了，广播电视的“周头条”也几十年了。 如同Dan Gillmor指出的，超市小报一直靠耸人听闻来骗钱。 [...]

]]> By: Lyle http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1002 Lyle Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:35:24 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/#comment-1002 Yes Dyslexia. How ironic. It was the anti-hierarchical English element in the American Revolution who were the true "Patriots". What a joke if the law now prevents UK ex-pats from speaking their mind on blogs! Test case? A drink to you too! Yes Dyslexia. How ironic. It was the anti-hierarchical English element in the American Revolution who were the true “Patriots”. What a joke if the law now prevents UK ex-pats from speaking their mind on blogs! Test case? A drink to you too!

]]> By: Dyslexia Reader http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1001 Dyslexia Reader Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:58:14 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/#comment-1001 This is an odd question, but what about the ONION or MARK TWAIN kind of 'real news' disguised as 'HUMOUR?' And what if we try and syndicate blogs? Are there any strictures on blogs which are done in the aforementioned styles? If the Patriot Act,as it has been called; is to infer that recently arrived ex-pats from the U.K. are somehow less American than native born citizens, will we be made to prove our rightful allegiance in event that blogs come under a Seditious Speech Law? As I've already remarked, we can write whatever we darn well like, and as Americans now, can enjoy the Bill of Rights, but when does the law counter the usual Syndication Rights? I for one would like to know now, rather than expend two years developing a readership, and find that the blog itself is declared 'illegal' or worse yet, 'BLASPHEMOUS?" Cheers! This is an odd question, but what about the ONION or MARK TWAIN kind of ‘real news’ disguised as ‘HUMOUR?’ And what if we try and syndicate blogs?
Are there any strictures on blogs which are done in the aforementioned styles?
If the Patriot Act,as it has been called; is to infer that recently arrived ex-pats from the U.K. are somehow less American than native born citizens, will we be made to prove our rightful allegiance in event that blogs come under a Seditious Speech Law? As I’ve already remarked, we can write whatever we darn well like, and as Americans now, can enjoy the Bill of Rights, but when does the law counter the usual Syndication Rights? I for one would like to know now, rather than expend two years developing a readership, and find that the blog itself is declared ‘illegal’ or worse yet, ‘BLASPHEMOUS?” Cheers!

]]> By: Delia http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-1000 Delia Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:08:18 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/#comment-1000 Hi Pramit! re: "One good story does not build stickiness. For repeat visits, you need consistency. For consistency, writers must post good stories over a long period for the Google effect, Pagerank and others to push the product along. That takes time and money." Well...the idea is not to fire people if they don't get enough clicks right away (it does appear to take some time to get an accurate read of what a particular writer has to offer the clients you are serving). It's just that somebody that has been writing for a good while and has gotten no clicks or very few would probably find a better match elsewhere or... doing something else... wouldn't you say? I mean... there is no way to force people to read the "good stuff" (according to you) if they would rather do something else... It could be argued that you might be able to change their mind in time (good luck if you are willing to put in the finances and take the risk! it is just not required if you are in it for the money...-- which was the situation I was looking at). Delia Hi Pramit!

re: “One good story does not build stickiness. For repeat visits, you need consistency. For consistency, writers must post good stories over a long period for the Google effect, Pagerank and others to push the product along. That takes time and money.”

Well…the idea is not to fire people if they don’t get enough clicks right away (it does appear to take some time to get an accurate read of what a particular writer has to offer the clients you are serving). It’s just that somebody that has been writing for a good while and has gotten no clicks or very few would probably find a better match elsewhere or… doing something else… wouldn’t you say?

I mean… there is no way to force people to read the “good stuff” (according to you) if they would rather do something else… It could be argued that you might be able to change their mind in time (good luck if you are willing to put in the finances and take the risk! it is just not required if you are in it for the money…– which was the situation I was looking at).

Delia

]]> By: Pramit http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-999 Pramit Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:54:46 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/#comment-999 Pay per view is a bad idea unles you are writing gossip and tech columns for an established org. http://mediavidea.blogspot.com/2007/01/problems-with-pay-per-view-model-in.html Pay per view is a bad idea unles you are writing gossip and tech columns for an established org.

http://mediavidea.blogspot.com/2007/01/problems-with-pay-per-view-model-in.html

]]> By: Dan Gillmor http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-998 Dan Gillmor Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:08:15 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/#comment-998 Sridhar, I spent a lot of time studying the visa question when I was a columnist. Your feeling is your own business, of course. Sridhar, I spent a lot of time studying the visa question when I was a columnist. Your feeling is your own business, of course.

]]> By: If No One Reads What You Write, That’s Because It Sucks at The Blog Herald http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-997 If No One Reads What You Write, That’s Because It Sucks at The Blog Herald Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:44:35 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/#comment-997 [...] Fundamentally, this is nothing new. “Yellow journalism” is a century old, and “sweeps week” for broadcast TV has been around for decades. As Dan Gillmor points out, supermarket tabloids have long played it close to the line on sensationalizing for dollars. [...] [...] Fundamentally, this is nothing new. “Yellow journalism” is a century old, and “sweeps week” for broadcast TV has been around for decades. As Dan Gillmor points out, supermarket tabloids have long played it close to the line on sensationalizing for dollars. [...]

]]> By: Sridhar Vembu http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-996 Sridhar Vembu Thu, 18 Jan 2007 02:08:09 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/#comment-996 Dan, I have exchanged emails with you on the subject of H1-B visas once, and I came away with the feeling that you managed to combine arrogance with ignorance, while also managing to sound the correct populist outrage note. Is that what you call "old school journalistic value"? At least the blogosphere doesn't pretend to objectivity, and you reach an approximation of truth by averaging out several biased sources. Sridhar Dan,
I have exchanged emails with you on the subject of H1-B visas once, and I came away with the feeling that you managed to combine arrogance with ignorance, while also managing to sound the correct populist outrage note. Is that what you call “old school journalistic value”? At least the blogosphere doesn’t pretend to objectivity, and you reach an approximation of truth by averaging out several biased sources.

Sridhar

]]> By: Delia http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-995 Delia Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:03:36 +0000 http://citmedia.org/blog/2007/01/17/connecting-readership-with-pay/#comment-995 Dan, I see them as two different markets that *sometimes* coincide: entertainment and knowledge (I mean, if you could consistently hit *both*, that would be great... but it would be extremely difficult if not impossible). Delia P.S. As for remunerating as a function of number of reads... -- It all depends on what you are after... If you *just* want to make money (not concerned with sending out messages that may not be popular, for instance, or presenting outstanding journalistic work that most of your readers may not necessarily appreciate) and your profits are a direct result of the number of reads, going this route seems to optimize your operation... (It's like hiring people on spec -- they get paid according to how well it does in the market; they can do wonderful work but if it doesn't sell... too bad...) D. Dan,

I see them as two different markets that *sometimes* coincide: entertainment and knowledge (I mean, if you could consistently hit *both*, that would be great… but it would be extremely difficult if not impossible).

Delia

P.S. As for remunerating as a function of number of reads… — It all depends on what you are after… If you *just* want to make money (not concerned with sending out messages that may not be popular, for instance, or presenting outstanding journalistic work that most of your readers may not necessarily appreciate) and your profits are a direct result of the number of reads, going this route seems to optimize your operation… (It’s like hiring people on spec — they get paid according to how well it does in the market; they can do wonderful work but if it doesn’t sell… too bad…) D.

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