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		<title>By: alan macleese</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan macleese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once we put a name on the reporter of the future, then we must realize that the folks that respond will not, it is earnestly hoped and believed, be carbon copies of the reporters that we now know all too well. The platoons of reporters of the future may only one-percenters, but they will be truthseekers because, well, just because some of us are like that. Enough of us are like that.
     So we needn&#039;t think that we need to advise these people, this one percent, on how to act or how to think and how to do the right things, because they will not be in the ranks if they are not of the right stuff. And we, most of us reading this, know what constitutes the right stuff, we all have bullshsit detectors, we are not infallible but we know what we know because we have read the books and walked the walks. SO the issue of money should not arise, because, yes, right-thinking groups, will finance an altruistic movement once they, with wild surmise, say here is one, perhaps a bunch of honest folks trying to do what we all said we wanted to do: comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.
      And we who install these people, and these good people themselves, will keep each other honest and it won&#039;t be all that hard. Jeff Jarviss and Jay Rosen and the others are pioneers and either are capable of leading this charge, and it is, indeed, a paradigm shift, and it feels kind of great to feel that maybe I can be a part of it. Al MacLeese, Hallowell Maine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once we put a name on the reporter of the future, then we must realize that the folks that respond will not, it is earnestly hoped and believed, be carbon copies of the reporters that we now know all too well. The platoons of reporters of the future may only one-percenters, but they will be truthseekers because, well, just because some of us are like that. Enough of us are like that.<br />
     So we needn&#8217;t think that we need to advise these people, this one percent, on how to act or how to think and how to do the right things, because they will not be in the ranks if they are not of the right stuff. And we, most of us reading this, know what constitutes the right stuff, we all have bullshsit detectors, we are not infallible but we know what we know because we have read the books and walked the walks. SO the issue of money should not arise, because, yes, right-thinking groups, will finance an altruistic movement once they, with wild surmise, say here is one, perhaps a bunch of honest folks trying to do what we all said we wanted to do: comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.<br />
      And we who install these people, and these good people themselves, will keep each other honest and it won&#8217;t be all that hard. Jeff Jarviss and Jay Rosen and the others are pioneers and either are capable of leading this charge, and it is, indeed, a paradigm shift, and it feels kind of great to feel that maybe I can be a part of it. Al MacLeese, Hallowell Maine</p>
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		<title>By: Online Dating Blog &#187; Blog Archives &#187; &#8220;networked journalism&#8221; or &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Online Dating Blog &#187; Blog Archives &#187; &#8220;networked journalism&#8221; or &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]        Archived in Web/Tech, Current Affairs, academic studies, citizen journalism | Trackback | del.icio.us | Top OfPage [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2006/07/05/networking-journalism-pro-and-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>methinks we have covered this ground, in distributed fashion, zillions of times now.

Cornell ornithology&#039;s long-running &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.birds.cornell.edu/LabPrograms/CitSci/WhatIsCitSci.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Citizen Science&lt;/a&gt; program.

&quot;Citizen&quot; is the new &quot;amateur&quot;  (and will develop the same connotations over time)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>methinks we have covered this ground, in distributed fashion, zillions of times now.</p>
<p>Cornell ornithology&#8217;s long-running <a href="http://www.birds.cornell.edu/LabPrograms/CitSci/WhatIsCitSci.html" rel="nofollow">Citizen Science</a> program.</p>
<p>&#8220;Citizen&#8221; is the new &#8220;amateur&#8221;  (and will develop the same connotations over time)</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas K Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas K Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Shared Idea Of Citizen...&lt;/strong&gt;

Dan Gillmor is a highly respected commentator on the subject of citizen journalism and, among other things, how citizen journalism will/might affect the ongoing shifts in the world of news organizations. This week, he responded to the proposed shift in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Shared Idea Of Citizen&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Dan Gillmor is a highly respected commentator on the subject of citizen journalism and, among other things, how citizen journalism will/might affect the ongoing shifts in the world of news organizations. This week, he responded to the proposed shift in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 03:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, certainly you have branding reasons to stick with Citizen Media.

But, evaluation Jarvis&#039;s comment, first you need to decide whether it&#039;s media or journalism you&#039;re after. And media is easier. Because while &quot;citizens&quot; can aspire to do journalism, other important entities in society-- businesses, organizations, governments, cannot be so presumptuous to invest in an effort and call it &quot;journalism.&quot; (Unless, as Nick Confessore &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0312.confessore.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote three years ago about TechCentralStation&lt;/a&gt;, they wish to launder it through journo-lobbying web publications).

So suppose we replace citizens media with... &quot;networked media.&quot; It just sounds like the physical hardware used. Or it sounds too much like &quot;network.&quot; Sorry, it&#039;s not going to stick.

I have instead been using &lt;a href=&quot;http://civilities.net/ConstructiveMedia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Constructive Media&lt;/a&gt; for 2+ years now. I&#039;ve been discussing it with some new media practitioners and communications theorists, and I&#039;ve been slowly promoting it. It describes best what I&#039;m doing, and what many others are doing as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, certainly you have branding reasons to stick with Citizen Media.</p>
<p>But, evaluation Jarvis&#8217;s comment, first you need to decide whether it&#8217;s media or journalism you&#8217;re after. And media is easier. Because while &#8220;citizens&#8221; can aspire to do journalism, other important entities in society&#8211; businesses, organizations, governments, cannot be so presumptuous to invest in an effort and call it &#8220;journalism.&#8221; (Unless, as Nick Confessore <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0312.confessore.html" rel="nofollow">wrote three years ago about TechCentralStation</a>, they wish to launder it through journo-lobbying web publications).</p>
<p>So suppose we replace citizens media with&#8230; &#8220;networked media.&#8221; It just sounds like the physical hardware used. Or it sounds too much like &#8220;network.&#8221; Sorry, it&#8217;s not going to stick.</p>
<p>I have instead been using <a href="http://civilities.net/ConstructiveMedia" rel="nofollow">Constructive Media</a> for 2+ years now. I&#8217;ve been discussing it with some new media practitioners and communications theorists, and I&#8217;ve been slowly promoting it. It describes best what I&#8217;m doing, and what many others are doing as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media &#187; Wednesday squibs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media &#187; Wednesday squibs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 06:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Networked journalism. Jeff Jarvis offers a new term to replace the hotly-disputed &#8220;citizen journalism.&#8221; Terry Heaton points to the origins of an idea with much broader application than just journalism. UPDATE: Dan Gillmor writes why he&#8217;ll continue to use the term citizen journalism. He makes a lot of sense, as always. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Networked journalism. Jeff Jarvis offers a new term to replace the hotly-disputed &#8220;citizen journalism.&#8221; Terry Heaton points to the origins of an idea with much broader application than just journalism. UPDATE: Dan Gillmor writes why he&#8217;ll continue to use the term citizen journalism. He makes a lot of sense, as always. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 05:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most neutral and standard English term would be &quot;volunteer&quot; -  look at the phrase: &quot; ... is a service ...&quot;.

Now, there&#039;s nothing wrong with volunteerism, it&#039;s a noble activity. However, it&#039;s also recognized as limited in scope and somewhat of an extra in most people&#039;s lives. Which is why I believe there&#039;s a strong impulse to try to replace the descriptive term with one which &lt;em&gt;sells&lt;/em&gt; better, to serve the interests of the efforts of those attempting to build projects on top of volunteer work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most neutral and standard English term would be &#8220;volunteer&#8221; &#8211;  look at the phrase: &#8221; &#8230; is a service &#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with volunteerism, it&#8217;s a noble activity. However, it&#8217;s also recognized as limited in scope and somewhat of an extra in most people&#8217;s lives. Which is why I believe there&#8217;s a strong impulse to try to replace the descriptive term with one which <em>sells</em> better, to serve the interests of the efforts of those attempting to build projects on top of volunteer work.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,
I like your definition of citizen journalism and descriptions such as &quot;the citizens I refer to are members of communities, large and small, geographic and interest-based&quot; and &quot;being responsible to one’s self and one’s neighbors.&quot;

However the term &quot;citizen journalism&quot; seems trickier to use in a community where a very large number of residents may be involved in the community but are not citizens in the narrower interpretation of the word.

Too bad there can&#039;t be a footnote attached explaining what you do mean by citizenship and what you don&#039;t mean. I suppose one could jsut jump in with citizen joutrnalism and use any objections that came up as opportunities to explain what the term mean in this context as you have used it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />
I like your definition of citizen journalism and descriptions such as &#8220;the citizens I refer to are members of communities, large and small, geographic and interest-based&#8221; and &#8220;being responsible to one’s self and one’s neighbors.&#8221;</p>
<p>However the term &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; seems trickier to use in a community where a very large number of residents may be involved in the community but are not citizens in the narrower interpretation of the word.</p>
<p>Too bad there can&#8217;t be a footnote attached explaining what you do mean by citizenship and what you don&#8217;t mean. I suppose one could jsut jump in with citizen joutrnalism and use any objections that came up as opportunities to explain what the term mean in this context as you have used it.</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff mentioned &quot;professionals and amateurs working together.&quot;

The Cornell Lab of Ornithology offers &quot;citizen science&quot; projects. From their CitSci page:

&quot;What is citizen science? It is a partnership between the public and professional scientists. People across the continent are gathering data to better understand and conserve birds.&quot;

&quot;From backyards and city streets to remote forests, anyone who counts birds can contribute to the Lab&#039;s research. Data from the projects  are used to monitor bird populations and outline conservation efforts.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff mentioned &#8220;professionals and amateurs working together.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Cornell Lab of Ornithology offers &#8220;citizen science&#8221; projects. From their CitSci page:</p>
<p>&#8220;What is citizen science? It is a partnership between the public and professional scientists. People across the continent are gathering data to better understand and conserve birds.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;From backyards and city streets to remote forests, anyone who counts birds can contribute to the Lab&#8217;s research. Data from the projects  are used to monitor bird populations and outline conservation efforts.&#8221;</p>
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