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		<title>By: Blog Jaime Peña Donoso - &#187; Hoy la información siempre está cambiando, de ahí el blogging</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog Jaime Peña Donoso - &#187; Hoy la información siempre está cambiando, de ahí el blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ¿Qué va a implicar para el periodismo tradicional, una vez que se instale en nuestro país el periodismo ciudadano? De acuerdo a mi visión, un reacomodo de las líneas editoriales. Y en esto hago referencia no sólo a los diarios en papel, sino que también a la radio y también finalmente va a llegar a la televisión. Me imagino que a muchos lectores les ha irritado en más de una oportunidad, mientras se encuentran observando un debate político en televisión las “sesudas preguntas” que formulan los periodistas tradicionales, interrogantes, las más de las veces alejadas del sentir ciudadano. Por ahí va el tema que deseo introducir, para dar paso a la reflexión de el profesor Samuel Freedman que encontré en el blog de citizen media.     [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ¿Qué va a implicar para el periodismo tradicional, una vez que se instale en nuestro país el periodismo ciudadano? De acuerdo a mi visión, un reacomodo de las líneas editoriales. Y en esto hago referencia no sólo a los diarios en papel, sino que también a la radio y también finalmente va a llegar a la televisión. Me imagino que a muchos lectores les ha irritado en más de una oportunidad, mientras se encuentran observando un debate político en televisión las “sesudas preguntas” que formulan los periodistas tradicionales, interrogantes, las más de las veces alejadas del sentir ciudadano. Por ahí va el tema que deseo introducir, para dar paso a la reflexión de el profesor Samuel Freedman que encontré en el blog de citizen media.     [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Missing the Point, Redux &#124; Center for Citizen Media: Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missing the Point, Redux &#124; Center for Citizen Media: Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So, for the second week out of three, CBSNews.com is featuring a piece (here&#8217;s the other, and my response) that questions the foundation of the emerging genre we call citizen journalism. In both cases, representatives of the traditional Fourth Estate are doubting the usefulness of the Fifth Estate of bloggers and others who don&#8217;t fit into the neat boundaries of the professional class of journalists. In both cases, they raise interesting questions that devolve into straw-men attacks. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So, for the second week out of three, CBSNews.com is featuring a piece (here&#8217;s the other, and my response) that questions the foundation of the emerging genre we call citizen journalism. In both cases, representatives of the traditional Fourth Estate are doubting the usefulness of the Fifth Estate of bloggers and others who don&#8217;t fit into the neat boundaries of the professional class of journalists. In both cases, they raise interesting questions that devolve into straw-men attacks. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: William Luciw</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Luciw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Citizen Journalists Or Inspired Dilettantes?&quot;

See:

http://bayosphere.com/node/1907#comment-44723

&quot;... Citizen Journalism, i.e. amateur journalism, is by definition not a professional pursuit since most Citizen Journalists do not normally get paid for their efforts. So, there is a bit of a quandary here. It is not unlike many so-called &#039;Web 2.0&#039; business models where the basic idea is to get your audience (i.e. online community) to provide content in exchange for some intangible benefit ... but usually not negotiable currency. ...&quot;</description>
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<p>See:</p>
<p><a href="http://bayosphere.com/node/1907#comment-44723" rel="nofollow">http://bayosphere.com/node/1907#comment-44723</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; Citizen Journalism, i.e. amateur journalism, is by definition not a professional pursuit since most Citizen Journalists do not normally get paid for their efforts. So, there is a bit of a quandary here. It is not unlike many so-called &#8216;Web 2.0&#8242; business models where the basic idea is to get your audience (i.e. online community) to provide content in exchange for some intangible benefit &#8230; but usually not negotiable currency. &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: julien</title>
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		<dc:creator>julien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It also happens to be highly convenient that, without the blogosphere, there would be very few ripostes to his editorial. I prefer current state of things, where hundreds of people can hear and respond. And even Freedman himself would be hard pressed to find all of those responses to be without value (as much as he may resent them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also happens to be highly convenient that, without the blogosphere, there would be very few ripostes to his editorial. I prefer current state of things, where hundreds of people can hear and respond. And even Freedman himself would be hard pressed to find all of those responses to be without value (as much as he may resent them).</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 02:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nine parts of of what is on the web is, I am afraid, unmitigated bullshit. The same seems to go for much of Citizen journalism. &quot;Professional&quot; journalism mostly scores a little higher , with the notable exception of Fox which is intended to be a marketable mix of selected prejudices, hysterical nationalism and politically advantageous stories. Journalists from the very old media, however do not have leverage on the truth.

Rupert Murdoch, is right when he says that the game has changed.  But the argument that new  technology will necessarily result in better communications is neither neither new nor sustainable.  Hitler, for example, used radio to polularise anti semetic lunacies. Murrow meanwhile deployed radio to analyse, inform and ultimately gather support for the war against fascism.

The answer lies in ethics rather than technology. We need recognised, branded information, which is produced by people who belive in the truth. This applies to both professionals as well as amateurs. It was the difference between Murrow and Hitler. It still is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nine parts of of what is on the web is, I am afraid, unmitigated bullshit. The same seems to go for much of Citizen journalism. &#8220;Professional&#8221; journalism mostly scores a little higher , with the notable exception of Fox which is intended to be a marketable mix of selected prejudices, hysterical nationalism and politically advantageous stories. Journalists from the very old media, however do not have leverage on the truth.</p>
<p>Rupert Murdoch, is right when he says that the game has changed.  But the argument that new  technology will necessarily result in better communications is neither neither new nor sustainable.  Hitler, for example, used radio to polularise anti semetic lunacies. Murrow meanwhile deployed radio to analyse, inform and ultimately gather support for the war against fascism.</p>
<p>The answer lies in ethics rather than technology. We need recognised, branded information, which is produced by people who belive in the truth. This applies to both professionals as well as amateurs. It was the difference between Murrow and Hitler. It still is.</p>
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		<title>By: William Luciw</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Luciw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://vpwpartners.blogs.com/viewpoint_west_partners/2006/01/the_challenges_.html

The Challenges of Citizen Journalism

Content
Although this may seem obvious, the proper selection, timing and staging of content is a delicate and complicated task. It is not random. Participatory journalism is still presumably journalism, and requires discipline of vision like any other worthwhile endeavor.

Passion
The fuel which drives any great work is passion for something, someone, some place, etc. Without this vital ingredient, inane and banal ramblings masquerade for the genuine article. It is precisely this form of passionless journalism which drives audiences away from mainstream media, in search of &quot;something real.&quot;

Capability
We all have different skills, and not everyone is equally gifted in the art of expression. The challenge is to enable those who desire a voice but can&#039;t quite sing yet. This requires a drive to achieve and a submission to the discipline required to get there on the part of the would-be Citizen Journalist. In other words, one must become a &quot;humble student&quot; in order to truly learn anything of value, especially how to be a great journalist.

Credibility
Everyone has an opinion, sometimes more than one. However, not everyone has the depth of background and experience to offer valuable opinions which can add substance to a topic of discussion. Many popular journalists are cast, for better or worse, into a &quot;pundit&quot; role over the course of their years in covering specific topics with some depth. This doesn&#039;t mean we should ignore fresh new insights, but if those insights waste the audience&#039;s time by not providing value, then the whole effort is on shaky ground.

Accountability
Screaming &quot;fire&quot; in a crowded theatre is ok if there really IS a fire. However, anonymous &quot;bomb throwers&quot; who engage in so-called &#039;yellow journalism&#039; destroy the overall integrity of a publication, not to mention open it up for libel and slander. Defamation is not a valid form of promotion, and accountability of reporting and reporters holds this problem in check, although it doesn&#039;t completely eliminate the more subtler forms.

Compensation
In most societies, &quot;Time is Money&quot; and Citizen Journalists, even fledgling ones, need to be properly compensated for their efforts if those efforts are to continue. Hobbies are just that: hobbies. In order to break through to a higher level of quality, there needs to be a fair system of compensation or the term &quot;Citizen Journalist&quot; will become synonymous with &quot;Unemployed Journalist.&quot;

Leadership
The role of the editor should be emphasized here. Without editorial direction, guidance and oversight, it is hard to deliver a quality publication. Even high school yearbooks have editors, and online publications are no different. There are various editorial styles and orientations, but they all share common journalistic ethics which define and shape the publication. Without this editorial leadership, whether it is in the form of an editor-in-chief or an editorial staff, the publication in question may never see its second issue. Perhaps this is just editorial Darwinism at work.

Conclusions
Great journalism is hard ... sloppy journalism isn&#039;t really journalism at all. And Citizen Journalism is quite challenging!

... And another thing ...
Mark Twain (a.k.a Samuel Langhorne Clemens) on Journalism -- From an address to the Connecticut Evening Dinner Club, 1881:

&quot;... If you don&#039;t want to work, become a reporter.  That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse. ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://vpwpartners.blogs.com/viewpoint_west_partners/2006/01/the_challenges_.html" rel="nofollow">http://vpwpartners.blogs.com/viewpoint_west_partners/2006/01/the_challenges_.html</a></p>
<p>The Challenges of Citizen Journalism</p>
<p>Content<br />
Although this may seem obvious, the proper selection, timing and staging of content is a delicate and complicated task. It is not random. Participatory journalism is still presumably journalism, and requires discipline of vision like any other worthwhile endeavor.</p>
<p>Passion<br />
The fuel which drives any great work is passion for something, someone, some place, etc. Without this vital ingredient, inane and banal ramblings masquerade for the genuine article. It is precisely this form of passionless journalism which drives audiences away from mainstream media, in search of &#8220;something real.&#8221;</p>
<p>Capability<br />
We all have different skills, and not everyone is equally gifted in the art of expression. The challenge is to enable those who desire a voice but can&#8217;t quite sing yet. This requires a drive to achieve and a submission to the discipline required to get there on the part of the would-be Citizen Journalist. In other words, one must become a &#8220;humble student&#8221; in order to truly learn anything of value, especially how to be a great journalist.</p>
<p>Credibility<br />
Everyone has an opinion, sometimes more than one. However, not everyone has the depth of background and experience to offer valuable opinions which can add substance to a topic of discussion. Many popular journalists are cast, for better or worse, into a &#8220;pundit&#8221; role over the course of their years in covering specific topics with some depth. This doesn&#8217;t mean we should ignore fresh new insights, but if those insights waste the audience&#8217;s time by not providing value, then the whole effort is on shaky ground.</p>
<p>Accountability<br />
Screaming &#8220;fire&#8221; in a crowded theatre is ok if there really IS a fire. However, anonymous &#8220;bomb throwers&#8221; who engage in so-called &#8216;yellow journalism&#8217; destroy the overall integrity of a publication, not to mention open it up for libel and slander. Defamation is not a valid form of promotion, and accountability of reporting and reporters holds this problem in check, although it doesn&#8217;t completely eliminate the more subtler forms.</p>
<p>Compensation<br />
In most societies, &#8220;Time is Money&#8221; and Citizen Journalists, even fledgling ones, need to be properly compensated for their efforts if those efforts are to continue. Hobbies are just that: hobbies. In order to break through to a higher level of quality, there needs to be a fair system of compensation or the term &#8220;Citizen Journalist&#8221; will become synonymous with &#8220;Unemployed Journalist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Leadership<br />
The role of the editor should be emphasized here. Without editorial direction, guidance and oversight, it is hard to deliver a quality publication. Even high school yearbooks have editors, and online publications are no different. There are various editorial styles and orientations, but they all share common journalistic ethics which define and shape the publication. Without this editorial leadership, whether it is in the form of an editor-in-chief or an editorial staff, the publication in question may never see its second issue. Perhaps this is just editorial Darwinism at work.</p>
<p>Conclusions<br />
Great journalism is hard &#8230; sloppy journalism isn&#8217;t really journalism at all. And Citizen Journalism is quite challenging!</p>
<p>&#8230; And another thing &#8230;<br />
Mark Twain (a.k.a Samuel Langhorne Clemens) on Journalism &#8212; From an address to the Connecticut Evening Dinner Club, 1881:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; If you don&#8217;t want to work, become a reporter.  That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse. &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NextNews &#187; Dan Gillmor weighs in on the Freedman-CBS News rant eviscerating Citizen Journalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>NextNews &#187; Dan Gillmor weighs in on the Freedman-CBS News rant eviscerating Citizen Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dan Gillmor was among the very first among professional journalists to recognize the CJ movement - and to recognize it for what it is: not a replacement for, but an addition to traditional journalism.&#160; That is precisely my position about the phenomenon.&#160; Whether you be a supporter or detractor of citizen journalism, Gillmor&#8217;s observations demand close analysis.&#160; Straw Men Versus Citizen Journalists &#124; Center for Citizen Media: Blog   Excerpt:&#160; Citizen journalism doesn’t replace the professionals; at least I hope not. We need the best of what the pros do. (I’m not addressing the business issues here that are undermining the pros’ business models; that’s a somewhat separate but definitely important topic.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dan Gillmor was among the very first among professional journalists to recognize the CJ movement &#8211; and to recognize it for what it is: not a replacement for, but an addition to traditional journalism.&nbsp; That is precisely my position about the phenomenon.&nbsp; Whether you be a supporter or detractor of citizen journalism, Gillmor&#8217;s observations demand close analysis.&nbsp; Straw Men Versus Citizen Journalists | Center for Citizen Media: Blog   Excerpt:&nbsp; Citizen journalism doesn’t replace the professionals; at least I hope not. We need the best of what the pros do. (I’m not addressing the business issues here that are undermining the pros’ business models; that’s a somewhat separate but definitely important topic.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Undercurrent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Undercurrent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Professionalize journalism now...&lt;/strong&gt;

Another example of a recently noted emerging consensus: Citizen media is about improving journalism. Jon Snow at a Guardian conference: Citizen journalism won&#039;t supplant professional journalism, but it may actually professionalise it. (...) There&#039;s a...</description>
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<p>Another example of a recently noted emerging consensus: Citizen media is about improving journalism. Jon Snow at a Guardian conference: Citizen journalism won&#8217;t supplant professional journalism, but it may actually professionalise it. (&#8230;) There&#8217;s a&#8230;</p>
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