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	<title>Comments on: Another Thought on Huffington-Clooney Fracas</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Gillmor</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2006/03/22/another-thought-on-huffington-clooney-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a relatively easy way to handle it: a double byline. If Jane Staffer has written her boss&#039; op-ed, the byline should include both of them. Of course, this would imply that important people don&#039;t write their own stuff, and they can&#039;t have that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a relatively easy way to handle it: a double byline. If Jane Staffer has written her boss&#8217; op-ed, the byline should include both of them. Of course, this would imply that important people don&#8217;t write their own stuff, and they can&#8217;t have that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: badgercourage</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2006/03/22/another-thought-on-huffington-clooney-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>badgercourage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan

I agree with you in principle - no-one disputes this system has faults - but let&#039;s not get unrealistic here.

I was merely pointing to a truth that &quot;authorship&quot; is not a black-and-white issue.  Painters and photographers have assistants, authors have researchers, journalists have trainees, politicians have interns, da, da, da.  While in an ideal world they should all get credit (and I&#039;ve been on both sides of this argument in the past) power and prestige relationships plus the shorthand that is inevitable in politics and journalism work against this.

A think-piece written and signed by an unknown researcher at the request of a major politico would be unlikely to get published.  But put it out under the name of the Minister or Secretary of State and hey, presto!

By all means let&#039;s campaign for joint authorship or subsidiary credit or whatever, but there will allways be a market for ghost-written content, be it newspapers or books or blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan</p>
<p>I agree with you in principle &#8211; no-one disputes this system has faults &#8211; but let&#8217;s not get unrealistic here.</p>
<p>I was merely pointing to a truth that &#8220;authorship&#8221; is not a black-and-white issue.  Painters and photographers have assistants, authors have researchers, journalists have trainees, politicians have interns, da, da, da.  While in an ideal world they should all get credit (and I&#8217;ve been on both sides of this argument in the past) power and prestige relationships plus the shorthand that is inevitable in politics and journalism work against this.</p>
<p>A think-piece written and signed by an unknown researcher at the request of a major politico would be unlikely to get published.  But put it out under the name of the Minister or Secretary of State and hey, presto!</p>
<p>By all means let&#8217;s campaign for joint authorship or subsidiary credit or whatever, but there will allways be a market for ghost-written content, be it newspapers or books or blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Glaser</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2006/03/22/another-thought-on-huffington-clooney-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Glaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,
I had serious misgivings about this type of situation cropping up on Huffington Post before it even launched. With all the big names and their handlers, how could they NOT submit stuff that they hadn&#039;t actually written? But Arianna was in denial when I interviewed her back then for OJR:
http://www.ojr.org/ojr/stories/050503glaser/

Key passage:

OJR: Will there be ghost writers or assistants who might write for some of the group bloggers?

Arianna Huffington: That will never happen. They will never bother to do that, it&#039;s not of any interest to them. The majority of the people are people who are on e-mail a lot, they IM their friends. What we&#039;re asking them to do is basically tell us the thoughts they&#039;re already having, the conversations they&#039;re already having, the takes they&#039;re already having.

Now some of them who don&#039;t use a computer like Arthur Schlesinger might fax it. I personally don&#039;t have a problem with that. I&#039;d rather have Arthur Schlesinger online, his own voice, his own thoughts, than say, &#039;You know what, you have to learn how to use our software, we can&#039;t have you on.&#039; I&#039;m sure there are some purists who think that, no, you should actually use the blogging software, you should use Movable Type. But I don&#039;t have a problem with Arthur Schlesinger faxing me his thoughts, or someone calling from his cell phone and dictating something, but it has to be his thoughts -- that has to be unequivocal.

Unequivocal, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />
I had serious misgivings about this type of situation cropping up on Huffington Post before it even launched. With all the big names and their handlers, how could they NOT submit stuff that they hadn&#8217;t actually written? But Arianna was in denial when I interviewed her back then for OJR:<br />
<a href="http://www.ojr.org/ojr/stories/050503glaser/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ojr.org/ojr/stories/050503glaser/</a></p>
<p>Key passage:</p>
<p>OJR: Will there be ghost writers or assistants who might write for some of the group bloggers?</p>
<p>Arianna Huffington: That will never happen. They will never bother to do that, it&#8217;s not of any interest to them. The majority of the people are people who are on e-mail a lot, they IM their friends. What we&#8217;re asking them to do is basically tell us the thoughts they&#8217;re already having, the conversations they&#8217;re already having, the takes they&#8217;re already having.</p>
<p>Now some of them who don&#8217;t use a computer like Arthur Schlesinger might fax it. I personally don&#8217;t have a problem with that. I&#8217;d rather have Arthur Schlesinger online, his own voice, his own thoughts, than say, &#8216;You know what, you have to learn how to use our software, we can&#8217;t have you on.&#8217; I&#8217;m sure there are some purists who think that, no, you should actually use the blogging software, you should use Movable Type. But I don&#8217;t have a problem with Arthur Schlesinger faxing me his thoughts, or someone calling from his cell phone and dictating something, but it has to be his thoughts &#8212; that has to be unequivocal.</p>
<p>Unequivocal, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gillmor</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2006/03/22/another-thought-on-huffington-clooney-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the fact that you automatically disbelieve the authorship of op-ed pieces by famous people points up what is wrong with the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the fact that you automatically disbelieve the authorship of op-ed pieces by famous people points up what is wrong with the system.</p>
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		<title>By: badgercourage</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2006/03/22/another-thought-on-huffington-clooney-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>badgercourage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How far do you want to take the dubious analogy between op-ed pieces and blogs?  Op-ed pieces are often used as proxies for speeches.  Very few speeches by politicians are written by the supposed authors (some senior politicians seem capable of rational thought let alone coherent speech!).  Like speeches, many op-ed pieces (and I guess some blogs) are therefore the work of many uncredited inputs.

However, we&#039;re not dimbos.  When we see an article in a serious newspaper by (say) Condi Rice or Jack Straw we don&#039;t expect them to have written the detailed words themselves.  But we do expect them to have read and cleared the content, agree with it and be held to account for what&#039;s being written under their byline if they are wrong or defamatory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How far do you want to take the dubious analogy between op-ed pieces and blogs?  Op-ed pieces are often used as proxies for speeches.  Very few speeches by politicians are written by the supposed authors (some senior politicians seem capable of rational thought let alone coherent speech!).  Like speeches, many op-ed pieces (and I guess some blogs) are therefore the work of many uncredited inputs.</p>
<p>However, we&#8217;re not dimbos.  When we see an article in a serious newspaper by (say) Condi Rice or Jack Straw we don&#8217;t expect them to have written the detailed words themselves.  But we do expect them to have read and cleared the content, agree with it and be held to account for what&#8217;s being written under their byline if they are wrong or defamatory.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gillmor</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2006/03/22/another-thought-on-huffington-clooney-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On balance I think it is different this time, to the extent that blogs have personal voice. Hardly any newspaper writing, except for columns, remotely fits that category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On balance I think it is different this time, to the extent that blogs have personal voice. Hardly any newspaper writing, except for columns, remotely fits that category.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://citmedia.org/blog/2006/03/22/another-thought-on-huffington-clooney-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, but &quot;blogging&quot; makes a special claim to being authentic - while at the same time, it&#039;s *so* easy to fake the sincerity.

The point of this case is that it&#039;s a very public and loud demonstration of how that pseudo-authenticity is being manufactured. Because the claim is that the &quot;More Voice For The Voiceful&quot; site supposedly isn&#039;t like the ghost-written op-ed pieces, but it was.

The asymmetry is that the people who remain the audience are told it&#039;s different this time - and it&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but &#8220;blogging&#8221; makes a special claim to being authentic &#8211; while at the same time, it&#8217;s *so* easy to fake the sincerity.</p>
<p>The point of this case is that it&#8217;s a very public and loud demonstration of how that pseudo-authenticity is being manufactured. Because the claim is that the &#8220;More Voice For The Voiceful&#8221; site supposedly isn&#8217;t like the ghost-written op-ed pieces, but it was.</p>
<p>The asymmetry is that the people who remain the audience are told it&#8217;s different this time &#8211; and it&#8217;s not.</p>
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